MLB Award Winners for 2014

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Did you see where McClendon got Torre to actually lower Felix' ERA? They reversed a bunt hit to an error on Felix, taking off 4 ER's from last Tuesday's start - dropped his ERA from 2.34 to 2.17

That, and performing today, could be big. The Rangers/A's game starts 1 hr before the Mariners.

Well, Felix did the same thing Kluber did: pitch an awesome last game trying to get his team into the playoffs.

I have not looked up any of Felix's starts, so I'm not able to make a fair, impartial judgement, but in Kluber's 9 losses his offense scored 18 runs. That just sucks for any pitcher.

Again, this should be about the closest CY vote I've seen in a long time!

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Well, Felix did the same thing Kluber did: pitch an awesome last game trying to get his team into the playoffs.

I have not looked up any of Felix's starts, so I'm not able to make a fair, impartial judgement, but in Kluber's 9 losses his offense scored 18 runs. That just sucks for any pitcher.

Again, this should be about the closest CY vote I've seen in a long time!

Felix was untouchable today - ended up winning the ERA title at 2.14. Kluber is the strikeouts king, and won/lost is close to a draw, with win % edge to Felix.

Definitely the only two in the mix. Tough call.

I picked up a game-used ball today: Trout foul ball off Felix during a strikeout at bat. Cy Young pitch to MVP would be a good game souvenir.

I am getting refunded $600 for playoff tickets - yippee!!!

[Runscott]

Hopefully, here are two of them. Pics from centerfield: Felix warming up before the game, Trout during the game.

Also, pic of Michael Saunders hitting his first double, which went 'through' Trout. Tough catch for anyone, but Trout makes it normally.

[Stetson_1883]

I just have to give props to my alma mater Stetson University for having two of their products win some prestigious post season awards.

Congrats Jacob DeGrom and Corey Kluber!

[barrysloate]

Stetson University was the answer to a Jeopardy question just yesterday:

What Florida college was named after a hat manufacturer?

[Stetson_1883]

Oh that's badass!

[mart8081]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Well, Felix did the same thing Kluber did: pitch an awesome last game trying to get his team into the playoffs.

I have not looked up any of Felix's starts, so I'm not able to make a fair, impartial judgement, but in Kluber's 9 losses his offense scored 18 runs. That just sucks for any pitcher.

Again, this should be about the closest CY vote I've seen in a long time!

Will start this by saying both had excellent seasons.

Run Support per game for the two across the entire season:

Kluber 4.35
Hernandez 4.29

Fairly close but a lot of the run support for Felix came in only a few games (run support in 5 of those 15 wins were 10, 12, 10, 12 and 11). That emans of the 146 runs Seattle scored with Felix in the game 55 came in five starts - the ramining 29 starts he received 91 runs of support or 3.13 per game. hence you need to consider:

Three no-decisions in games in which he allowed zero runs.
Four no-decisions and a loss when he allowed one run.
Two no-decisions and two losses when he allowed two runs.

So zero wins and three losses in those nine games. You could expect to win 7+ of those starts with no losses - so his win line could read 22-3. Edge Felix?

WHIP = a wide margin:

Kluber 1.09
Hernandez 0.92

Hernandez has the lower ERA (even with the tampering this week).

There was also the MLB record 16 game streak of 7 IP of 3 or less runs scored.

I would be stunned if Kluber won.

[earlywynnfan]

I wouldn't consider .06 runs per game "fairly close." What's that, 2 runs over the entire season?

Kluber had 7 games of 2 runs or less where he got 2 losses and 5 ND's, including the famous Ryan Raburn game.

And don't forget many people's darling stat right now: WAR. Kluber is 3rd in the entire league, tops for pitchers, a full game over Felix at 7.5 to 6.4.

Kluber's ERA+ is also lower, which adjusts for park differentials. (Seattle is a MUCH better pitcher's park than Tribe Stadium.)

I think Felix gets it because the stats are so close and Felix has the history. But I'd be stunned if it isn't close.

Ken

PS: By the way, Seattle fans, we got Kluber's seasons for over $22,000,000 less than you got Felix's!! I have to taunt you now, because in a couple of years, we won't be able to afford Kluber and he'll be pitching for the yankees or Angels.

[mart8081]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

I wouldn't consider .06 runs per game "fairly close." What's that, 2 runs over the entire season?

Kluber had 7 games of 2 runs or less where he got 2 losses and 5 ND's, including the famous Ryan Raburn game.

And don't forget many people's darling stat right now: WAR. Kluber is 3rd in the entire league, tops for pitchers, a full game over Felix at 7.5 to 6.4.

Kluber's ERA+ is also lower, which adjusts for park differentials. (Seattle is a MUCH better pitcher's park than Tribe Stadium.)

I think Felix gets it because the stats are so close and Felix has the history. But I'd be stunned if it isn't close.

Ken

PS: By the way, Seattle fans, we got Kluber's seasons for over $22,000,000 less than you got Felix's!! I have to taunt you now, because in a couple of years, we won't be able to afford Kluber and he'll be pitching for the yankees or Angels.

Ken,

I think you've taken the WAR figures prior to the update for last nights games. Felix climbed to 6.7.

Also looking at ERA+ Felix is at 170 (trailing Kershaw 197 and Sale 178) with Kluber on 150:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/le...-leaders.shtml

Kluber does lead in FIP but Hernandez leads almost all other Sabermetric stats.

PS - Will add I am a Mariners fan!

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

I think Felix gets it because the stats are so close and Felix has the history. But I'd be stunned if it isn't close.

I think the 'history' thing might actually work in Kluber's favor - if the fans were voting, I agree with you.

[D. Bergin]

I noticed King Felix only threw 68 pitches in his last start. Just enough to get the decision and secure the ERA title.

Also noticed that, not only was King Felix gifted several runs off his ERA, but they kind of boned Kluber a couple weeks ago on several runs, by reversing an error call on Avile, that for all intents and purposes, looked like a play a Little Leaguer could have made.

That's a bit of a swing in several of the stats that have been mentioned.

Leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth.

Then again I don't think I'd have been entirely happy with Chris Sale winning the ERA title with 60 less innings pitched then Hernandez and Kluber.

[earlywynnfan]

Anyone know when they announce this?

One last thing about Kluber (I hope!): He was far more dominant this season than either Lee or Sabathia when they won their CY. That's why I'm bummed that Felix decided to have an incredible season at the same time.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Anyone know when they announce this?

One last thing about Kluber (I hope!): He was far more dominant this season than either Lee or Sabathia when they won their CY. That's why I'm bummed that Felix decided to have an incredible season at the same time.

In today's paper: voters have to have their ballots turned in before the post-season begins (today), and the announcement of the winner is November 12.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

I noticed King Felix only threw 68 pitches in his last start. Just enough to get the decision and secure the ERA title.

Also noticed that, not only was King Felix gifted several runs off his ERA, but they kind of boned Kluber a couple weeks ago on several runs, by reversing an error call on Avile, that for all intents and purposes, looked like a play a Little Leaguer could have made.

That's a bit of a swing in several of the stats that have been mentioned.

Leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth.

Then again I don't think I'd have been entirely happy with Chris Sale winning the ERA title with 60 less innings pitched then Hernandez and Kluber.

I don't see the same nefariousness of intent that you are pointing out. Felix wanted to keep pitching and if the A's had not won, he would have kept pitching - the postseason was the main thing on everyone's mind. Felix got bombed by Toronto last week - it was actually more a chance of hurting his Cy Young chances by even letting him start, but, as I said, the postseason was foremost in everyone's mind. They aren't like us - concentrating on evil intent, politics and statistics. In addition, McLendon frequently pulls his starters after 5 or 6 innings, simply because he has the best reliever staff in the Major Leagues, but in this case it made sense for other reasons: Felix gets to walk off the field to the fan's applause (same thing McLendon did for Cano 1 batter later), and while it does secure the ERA title and a better shot at the Cy Young, as PHENOMENAL as he was pitching, he could very well have gotten a complete game 1-hitter, and a few more strikeouts. That would probably have locked up the Cy Young.

But fortunately Net54 members don't get to vote. Could you imagine what the HOF would look like if we did?

[howard38]

Originally Posted by mart8081

Will start this by saying both had excellent seasons.

Run Support per game for the two across the entire season:

Kluber 4.35
Hernandez 4.29

Fairly close but a lot of the run support for Felix came in only a few games (run support in 5 of those 15 wins were 10, 12, 10, 12 and 11). That emans of the 146 runs Seattle scored with Felix in the game 55 came in five starts - the ramining 29 starts he received 91 runs of support or 3.13 per game. hence you need to consider:

Three no-decisions in games in which he allowed zero runs.
Four no-decisions and a loss when he allowed one run.
Two no-decisions and two losses when he allowed two runs.

So zero wins and three losses in those nine games. You could expect to win 7+ of those starts with no losses - so his win line could read 22-3. Edge Felix?

WHIP = a wide margin:

Kluber 1.09
Hernandez 0.92

Hernandez has the lower ERA (even with the tampering this week).

There was also the MLB record 16 game streak of 7 IP of 3 or less runs scored.

I would be stunned if Kluber won.

Hernandez's streak was even better than that...it was two runs or less. Amazing but I still wouldn't be surprised if Kluber won.