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Old 09-25-2014, 07:15 PM
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what's going to hurt sale is that he pitched 60 innings less compared to hernandez and kluber. That's a lot.
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Old 09-26-2014, 12:34 PM
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Regardless of whether or not Kershaw gets the MVP, he is the MVP

AL MVP- Mike Trout
NL MVP- Clayton Kershaw
AL CY Young- Kluber
NL Cy Young- Clayton Kershaw
AL Rookie of the Year- Jose Abreu
NL Rookie of the Year - no idea
...and I'll add: AL Manager of the Year - Lloyd McClendon

Regarding the AL Cy Young, we are going to the Mariners' season-ender with Felix pitching...we are hoping the game counts and McClendon lets him pitch. I'm hoping he tosses a gem and edges out Kluber. McClendon is too practical, though - if the game doesn't count, but Kluber has a slight edge, I still don't think Felix gets his start.
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Old 09-26-2014, 05:41 PM
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Regardless of whether or not Kershaw gets the MVP, he is the MVP

AL MVP- Mike Trout
NL MVP- Clayton Kershaw
AL CY Young- Kluber
NL Cy Young- Clayton Kershaw
AL Rookie of the Year- Jose Abreu
NL Rookie of the Year - no idea
...and I'll add: AL Manager of the Year - Lloyd McClendon

Regarding the AL Cy Young, we are going to the Mariners' season-ender with Felix pitching...we are hoping the game counts and McClendon lets him pitch. I'm hoping he tosses a gem and edges out Kluber. McClendon is too practical, though - if the game doesn't count, but Kluber has a slight edge, I still don't think Felix gets his start.
Love seeing the Seattle guy chose Kluber! I've been watching him all year here in Cleveburg, and he's been incredible. Personally, I think it all hinges on their last starts; right now I'd call it a toss-up and Felix has the name.

As for this personal race, it's a good thing Kluber is pitching tonight. If the Tribe gets eliminated today, Klube doesn't pitch tomorrow or Sunday.
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Old 09-26-2014, 06:47 PM
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Love seeing the Seattle guy chose Kluber! I've been watching him all year here in Cleveburg, and he's been incredible. Personally, I think it all hinges on their last starts; right now I'd call it a toss-up and Felix has the name.

As for this personal race, it's a good thing Kluber is pitching tonight. If the Tribe gets eliminated today, Klube doesn't pitch tomorrow or Sunday.
It will be a very interesting finish. I just hope Felix pitches Sunday and has to perform to earn the Cy Young. You know - a no-hitter!
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Old 09-26-2014, 09:37 PM
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One thing I look for is how they perform at the end of the season, with playoff hopes on the line. Kluber's last 5 starts: 5-0, 1.12 ERA.

I know Felix had a crummy start recently, and that was my knock against him when he won the CY a couple years ago. If he can step up and pitch a great game Sunday, with playoffs on the line, this vote should be VERY interesting!
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Old 09-27-2014, 12:05 AM
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NL Cy Young - Kershaw (but not unanimously...Cueto, Wainwright)
NL MVP- Kershaw or MCutcheon (with a nod to Harrison)
NL ROY- Alex Wood, Braves (on a bad team with a good pitching staff, he was the best for them in the second half) (11-11, 2.78, 170K)

AL Cy Young - Greg Holland- followed closely by Kluber, Felix, Weaver, Scherzer

AL MVP- Trout or Victor Martinez (only because Trout leads the MAJORS in strikeouts* and his BA is about to drop under .290)

AL Rookie- Abreu (should be unanimous)

* Strikeouts, in spite of their overwhelming acceptance, are wasted, unproductive ABs - and do nothing to help the team. When you strikeout close to 1/3 of your ABs, you can't be MVP unanimously. IMO
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There was talk on the radio broadcast that MLB may be considering restricting the use of defensive shifts because they are worried about the drop in offense. How ridiculous is that?!

That drop is caused by everyone being pull-crazy and trying to hit over the shift instead of away from it. If players would get back to hitting the ball up the middle or at least going with where it is pitched, offenses would pick up. It should also be noted that as the strikeouts rise, bases-on-balls have fallen. Another skill young players aren't being taught anymore.
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Old 09-27-2014, 04:47 AM
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I'm pulling for Kluber as he went to my alma mater, Stetson University.

It's amazing how this guy basically came out of no where.
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NL MVP McCutchen
NL CY Kershaw
NL ROY deGrom

AL MVP Trout
AL CY Kluber
AL ROY Abreu

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Old 09-28-2014, 06:57 AM
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No way does McCutchen get the MVP again. He won it last year, and last year was a gift. One of the statistically worse seasons by an MVP winner in the last 40 years. I mean he didn't lead the league in a single category.

2013 .317, 97 runs, 21 HR, 84 RBI. 911 OPS
2014 .314, 88 runs, 25 HR, 82 RBI, .953 OPS

He leads in OBP and OPS this year, but that's still not an MVP season. The OPS is nice, but the old fashioned stats are nothing special. I really like Andrew McCutchen, but are we just going to start handing out the award to guys who have good seasons? Paul Goldschmidt deserved it last year, and either Kershaw or Stanton deserves it this year.

Kershaw 21-3, 1.77 ERA, 6 CG, 239 K, 10.8 K/9 IP, 7.71:1 K:BB

That's about as dominant as it gets.
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One thing I look for is how they perform at the end of the season, with playoff hopes on the line. Kluber's last 5 starts: 5-0, 1.12 ERA.

I know Felix had a crummy start recently, and that was my knock against him when he won the CY a couple years ago. If he can step up and pitch a great game Sunday, with playoffs on the line, this vote should be VERY interesting!
Did you see where McClendon got Torre to actually lower Felix' ERA? They reversed a bunt hit to an error on Felix, taking off 4 ER's from last Tuesday's start - dropped his ERA from 2.34 to 2.17

That, and performing today, could be big. The Rangers/A's game starts 1 hr before the Mariners.
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Did you see where McClendon got Torre to actually lower Felix' ERA? They reversed a bunt hit to an error on Felix, taking off 4 ER's from last Tuesday's start - dropped his ERA from 2.34 to 2.17

That, and performing today, could be big. The Rangers/A's game starts 1 hr before the Mariners.
Well, Felix did the same thing Kluber did: pitch an awesome last game trying to get his team into the playoffs.

I have not looked up any of Felix's starts, so I'm not able to make a fair, impartial judgement, but in Kluber's 9 losses his offense scored 18 runs. That just sucks for any pitcher.

Again, this should be about the closest CY vote I've seen in a long time!
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Old 09-27-2014, 07:08 AM
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what a way to end the season for kluber - that's how you leave a lasting impression.
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Old 09-27-2014, 09:35 AM
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AL MVP: Trout...I do think Vmart should win it(despite the DH factor), and Nelson Cruz should get some serious consideration(we'll see how the suspension last year effects the votes for him). BUT I do think it will be given to Trout. Possibly based on his last 3 seasons, because based on this season alone it's really up in the air..
AL CY: Felix...Although I'm seriously rooting for Kluber to get it. And would like Jon Lester to get a little more credit than he's been getting..
AL ROY: Abreu, with Tanaka right there.. I'd really like a separate award for these import pseudo-rookies though, so it can be given to a true rookie...
NL MVP: I really think Kershaw will get it... but I'm not sure how to view Stanton. Will missing this past month hurt him? OR will the voters show some sympathy after getting hit in the face? Which also pretty much ended any chance MIA had of a playoff push, so you really can't pull the non-contender card, because they were contending.
NL CY: DUH!!! Kershaw, anyone even thinking about anyone else is kidding themselves..
NL ROY: Degrom would get it from me. Although I'm not really sure how the voters will treat Hamilton. Sure his SBs are nice, but he's seemingly fallen off a cliff, and is really proving to pretty much be a one trick pony...

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