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Old 09-19-2014, 03:32 PM
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Well, he did pay for it. Maybe you should read a little closer too. You guys just don't get it. You guys are always right and never make mistakes, yet are always first to point out everyone else's mistakes. It's an opinion. If you don't like their opinion, don't use it.

bingo , it is what drives 50% of the discussion on these boards , crusaders . spence could have done no right , it was a losing deal, and on top of it who knows what this guy is making up or telling the truth about , life with tpa is what it is , but what would life be like without tpa? well for one the guy who bought the stengel ball would be the proud owner still of the ball. people talk about all that is bad on ebay ? what if there was nobody to send it to ? not even to send it to, but be a option that will keep some people from listing? it would be the wild west , there is also a option for anybody here or any place else to get a office , print business cards and authenticate , but the difference will be their rears would be on the line and on hauls of shame and all that nonsense , vs chiming in on a message board on how they agree something is bad. oh yeah they goof a ton but i believe the percent is pretty low vs volume done . and it is a business and it is what people want . when psa/dna certs like 20000 pieces at the national i would think some folks are on board, well my soapbox is over , but going back to like line one the whole thing boils down to do not take any cert as gospel
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Old 09-19-2014, 03:59 PM
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bingo , it is what drives 50% of the discussion on these boards , crusaders . spence could have done no right , it was a losing deal, and on top of it who knows what this guy is making up or telling the truth about , life with tpa is what it is , but what would life be like without tpa? .... , but going back to like line one the whole thing boils down to do not take any cert as gospel
You may be right about some of the things you said. But there's nothing wrong with the "crusaders" that drive many of the discussions on here. At least there are folks out there that try to help the less-knowledgeable and give their opinions without collecting a dime. I agree that many of the TPAs and the authenticators are moving targets on here, but let's face it...they make a lot of money doing something that is questionable and many of the certs out there are VERY questionable on many items. So, I don't feel sorry for them. This hobby is full of the worst POS's there can be, and so many of the crusaders' methods can be pretty viscous when they attack somebody, but I think that's because many of us collectors have been burned at least several times in our past and everyone is guilty until proven innocent.

By the way, I think I have bought items from you before (mostly FDCs)...you have a great inventory!
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Old 09-19-2014, 04:24 PM
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You may be right about some of the things you said. But there's nothing wrong with the "crusaders" that drive many of the discussions on here. At least there are folks out there that try to help the less-knowledgeable and give their opinions without collecting a dime. I agree that many of the TPAs and the authenticators are moving targets on here, but let's face it...they make a lot of money doing something that is questionable and many of the certs out there are VERY questionable on many items. So, I don't feel sorry for them. This hobby is full of the worst POS's there can be, and so many of the crusaders' methods can be pretty viscous when they attack somebody, but I think that's because many of us collectors have been burned at least several times in our past and everyone is guilty until proven innocent.

By the way, I think I have bought items from you before (mostly FDCs)...you have a great inventory!
thanks i look forward to seeing you back email if you need anything , it is a slippery slope , for what the tpa miss and dont know i read here all the time and the opinions that people inject are way worse, in my opinion, for example i read a thread on wayne stivers and how all chimed in what a good guy and good stuff he had and on and on , and anybody who knows anything about this stuff , i mean pre psa jsa or whatever knows if he had a good autograph it may have been by accident. so all chime in and say if it has his cert it is good as gold , this is way more dangerous than people think. i just had to say something then some guys who actually know said yeah his stuff was bogus . if people would just try and learn some of this stuff on their own , use some common sense , use known tpa examples , google stuff , start a file of signatures , people do not see what jsa and psa/dna have when they cert stuff , both have a file with hundreds or more of almost anybody ranked in year order they have clubhouse exemplars , wives , secretarials , fakes . that alone is way more than 99.99% of anybody including me can pull out when offering a opinion, yes they get paid but until you sit around and watch lets say jsa cert stuff people have no clue , sure they thumb through bench seaver unitas etc, you throw in roger maris it is looked at to make sure it is live ink, photograhed and sent to at least 3 people and scored , then it still has to pass big jim , if they are wrong after that then it is wrong. something special fails and it is photographed and added to a file , and this is why these boards can be dangerous on this subject because most people have no clue coming here asking stuff and they just see what a trainwreck all the tpa are , and that wayne stivers certs are a gold mine and never even make a effort to understand what they are buying , heck that should be one of the finer points of their hobby , bottom line know what you are buying and selling and stop just falling back on certs
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...the whole thing boils down to do not take any cert as gospel
Wow! What a rant. "Imagine the hobby w/o TPAs! What would we do? OMG, who would we send things to? Who would protect us? Who would save us? And, besides, they do a fine job.

But, remember... no matter what they say, you can't really believe it."

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