Ripped off by a James Spence lifetime guarantee

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Apparently Spence only reached out to Eric once Eric had gone public with this.

And it's a Stengel ball. What's it gonna cost him?

It's not like it was, say, a forged 1927 Yankees ball that he once authenticated.

[khw]

if the original link was that stangel brothers or whatever that is it was posted there the 17th , and posted on here the 18th ,who knows how long it went before that though , i doubt anybody was bullied into giving the money back , would have been just as easy to say that balls fake and i never sold it , and the letter went with another baseball. whatever time he spent with jsa the company doesnt matter here , they didnt write the letter. if spence refunded it then give the guy a hand for doing the right thing and take a second from the ole bash the tpa

[khw]

i mean some of you guys just wont be happy, he doesnt refund it and he is a scum bag , if he refunds it then it was only because he was forced to in some stupid forum , and he really is a bad guy and doesnt know anything but the power of the public forum got to him so chalk another up to the crusaders

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

And it's a Stengel ball. What's it gonna cost him?

It's not like it was, say, a forged 1927 Yankees ball that he once authenticated.

lol...in a sad way.

[johnmh71]

I'm not trying to come to anyone's defense, but how do we know that this is the same ball that Spence wrote the COA for? Because the other dealer said so?

[JimStinson]

because he has already given a refund maybe that's a clue ...the other option is to pay to have Spence's letter authenticated ...maybe he didn't write it and its a forgery ...lets keep it real
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[shelly]

What a stupid question. Not one person includeing Spence has denied he did the authentication. It just took him way to long to admit for the first time I know of that he made a mistake. That was because he had no way out. If it was one of us that did not have the connections to make him look bad it would have never happened.
Every time you see a piece come down at an auction that he did. Do you ever see them say he made a mistake? Have all of you that have come to his defence ever see him admit a mistake. If so please show me.

[johnmh71]

Like I stated in my earlier post, I wasn't looking to come to anyone's defense. Both JSA and PSA have made their mistakes. I was just simply raising the question.

[Exhibitman]

Of course the OP called JSA to speak to Spence. It is his company. It is him at the National fronting for it. It ain't like he's a celebrity lending his name to WalMart for a TPA line. Of course there are muckrakers on N54, because there is quite a bit of muck to rake in this hobby. Of course TPAs make mistakes, because unless you saw the athlete put pen to paper or ball it is all a matter of opinion. None of that is debated or debatable or worthy of a rehash. What is at the core here is accountability. There are lots of 'experts' in this hobby who are long on opinions but short on assuming responsibility for them. A collector should not have to shame or strong-arm or sue a TPG/TPA/dealer into honoring a guarantee, but that is where this hobby has gone because so many of them refuse to stand behind their work product until they are shamed or sued.