Mantle Ball - UDA vs PSA 9

[shelly]

Jason, I went at look at the most resent steiner. I am sorry to say that I think age has become a factor and he signiture really has changed for the worst.

[w7imel]

Try pitching a ball a million times in a lifetime im guessing anyones hands would shake. I saw John Elway on tv after retirement his hand seemed to shake as well as he said he cant lift his throwing arm above shoulder height. The price these atheletes bodies pay is unreal

[packs]

When I got Koufax in person at spring training this year there was a real crush for him. It's hard to sign in that environment. The Steiner balls don't look too bad to me. There's something weird about the flow in them though. My ball might be sloppy but it's got some style. The Steiners look stiff.

[djson1]

Originally Posted by shelly

Jason, I went at look at the most resent steiner. I am sorry to say that I think age has become a factor and he signiture really has changed for the worst.

Shelly, If the one I posted is authentic, then I'm surprised it deteriorated so quickly....but personally, I still wouldn't buy one that looks like the one I posted above. Koufax' signature (at least up until a couple of years ago) looked much better than this. If his hand has gotten that bad, that's really a shame as he had one of the nicer signatures IMO.
I guess the same has happened to Hank Aaron's as well. I never realized it got so bad until a few years ago.

[shelly]

I am not saying I like that autograph. I am saying it is getting harder to figure if it is good or not. Here is a steiner piece.

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[Clueless]

For those recommending one gets familiar with an autograph and purchase w/o some sort of coa, read this:

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...ticle-1.759026

I don't have that kind of confidence if joe montana can't even tell his own signaturevfrom a forgery.

[jbhofmann]

As a 10 year old kid I went to a show at the Cincy Gardens and got Mantle ($50) on a Bobby Brown Haiti ball. It has never shown any toning.

[djson1]

Originally Posted by Clueless

For those recommending one gets familiar with an autograph and purchase w/o some sort of coa, read this:

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...ticle-1.759026

I don't have that kind of confidence if joe montana can't even tell his own signaturevfrom a forgery.

But then again, that's why you can't rely on those TPAs...since those guys opinions aren't any better (and in many cases, worse) than your's or mine. At least with UDA, Steiner, etc,there's a better chance the sigs were signed in front of somebody ethical (at least we're led to believe so).

By the way, I know that article is old, but I read this part and was amazed:
"..Or how he would find just the right combination of insects to come up with an ageless ink." ....Holy crap...I didn't know they used insects to come up with a vintage looking ink! Really amazing....

[packs]

Here's another one of the toned balls I was talking about. This Whitey is coincidentally also a Bobby Brown. Maybe it is a defect in certain Brown balls:

White Ford

Also spotted this Shantz but I can't see the president stamp:

Bobby Shantz

Edited to add there's no Haiti mark on the Ford one.

[Runscott]

Thanks. I have never seen such a thing, but I don't collect single-signed balls, so probably wouldn't notice most of them.

Horrible stuff - wouldn't own it.