Recent Ebay experience question

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I completely disagree with everything Darren posted. These exact posts are why I hate eBay.

You admit that the seller had good pictures but because you were to lazy to take the time and look at them you should be able to inconvenience the seller. WOW just fricken wow. Maybe you got it $20 cheaper because the other bidder(s) took the time to actually look at the pictures.

Please put on your big boy pants keep the card and hopefully now you know why pictures are provided.

Time and time again, over and over, every single day, sellers on ebay are being slimeballs. It happens to me constantly. Trimmed cards, unseen creases, sending different cards then what was pictured in the auctions and on and on. Why in hell didn't this seller state that there was writing on this card????? The buyer missed it, so it clearly doesn't immediately jump out at you. The seller gave it his own grade, which means he examined the card, right? Again, why didn't he mention it anywhere in the description???? Because he's obviously being a douche. What are the chances he didn't notice the writing? Almost zero percent. Come on!!

[ALR-bishop]

I have never sold anything on ebay. I have a feedback rating of over 1600 transactions, all as a buyer. I guess I should feel fortunate that my experiences with sellers have not been as bad as Darren's.. Particularly since ebay changed their rules to put buyers in the virtual driver's seat, the vast majority of sellers I have dealt with have been honorable and fair people. On pre war here and on CU, most threads I see about ebay deal with horror stories about buyers.

This is not intended as any comment on the issue Chris has raised here

[JollyElm]

I apologize for sounding so angry, but it happens so often that it's driving me bananas!! And the apologists who come on to paint ebay as all rainbows and unicorns are ridiculous. I can only assume that the people posting such nonsense are ebay sellers, who only want to protect their own. Sorta like political operatives spinning their BS.

Since no one here knows the seller's motives, we are all just speculating on what he did or didn't do. But I can tell you without question that my version of events is far closer to reality than those that claim he did nothing wrong.

[campyfan39]

Thanks for everyone's opinions good and bad.

The story has a happy ending. The seller claims he didn't notice it but offered a refund of $7.50. I am fine with that.

I am sorry this thread went downhill. Net 54 is a fun place for me, an escape from the negativity of life.

My original intent was just to get opinions on the card and price and if people thought I should return it. I have about 2000 transactions on ebay with most of them as a card buyer the last 12 years. To my knowledge I have only returned a card once so I honestly was looking for feedback.

Happy Collecting!
Chris

[CobbSpikedMe]

I'm not trying to stir the pot here, but I don't see it as so hard to believe the seller may have missed the marks in this case. After all, the buyer missed them too. And the seller isn't a total douchebag if he offered a refund of $7.50 due to the marks when he found out about them. If all parties are happy now, then no big deal anymore.

[Davino]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Time and time again, over and over, every single day, sellers on ebay are being slimeballs. It happens to me constantly. Trimmed cards, unseen creases, sending different cards then what was pictured in the auctions and on and on. Why in hell didn't this seller state that there was writing on this card????? The buyer missed it, so it clearly doesn't immediately jump out at you. The seller gave it his own grade, which means he examined the card, right? Again, why didn't he mention it anywhere in the description???? Because he's obviously being a douche. What are the chances he didn't notice the writing? Almost zero percent. Come on!!

I 100% agree. Ben is misguided.

[JollyElm]

I'll add a recent ebay experience for some background. I saw a '62 green tint in super shape that I wanted to buy as an upgrade. However, the photo made the card look too thin, so I sent the seller a question asking him if the card had been trimmed, because it sure looked it. Not completely obvious, but enough to make you wonder.

His answer to me was, "No, it's not trimmed. This card measures out perfectly. I measured it myself. It's fine."

So I buy the card and the moment I take it out of the envelope and put it on top of another card, it's so frickin' obvious it's been trimmed. Not only trimmed side to side, but top to bottom as well. So I contact the seller again, this time all pissed as hell and tell him, "Why in hell did you tell me this card measures out perfectly when it is so obviously a trim job?????!!!!!!!" His reply? "It DOES measure correctly. You're just a scam artist trying to steal from me. If the card is trimmed, you did it, so you can rip me off!! I'm going to report you to ebay!!"

Fast forward to me filing a report with ebay. I simply scanned the card on top of a ruler, showing how it was practically 1/8" short. I put that image next to the image he used in the auction to prove to ebay that nothing changed on the card--it certainly wasn't trimmed by me--from when he had it until I received it. I also cut and pasted his replies to my questions, saying he himself measured the card out, etc. Ebay took like 4 minutes to decide in my favor.

When I mentioned slimeballs earlier in this thread, it's people like this do_chebag I was referring to. He makes a scumbag move by purposefully selling a trimmed card. When it's brought to his attention, he blatantly lies about it and threatens to report ME to ebay. Just an absolute f-cking scumbag.

Some of you claim you don't run into these types of sellers. That is truly awesome, but don't think for a second these f-cknuts aren't out there in full force, trying to rip you and me off.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

I'll add a recent ebay experience for some background. I saw a '62 green tint in super shape that I wanted to buy as an upgrade. However, the photo made the card look too thin, so I sent the seller a question asking him if the card had been trimmed, because it sure looked it. Not completely obvious, but enough to make you wonder.

His answer to me was, "No, it's not trimmed. This card measures out perfectly. I measured it myself. It's fine."

So I buy the card and the moment I take it out of the envelope and put it on top of another card, it's so frickin' obvious it's been trimmed. Not only trimmed side to side, but top to bottom as well. So I contact the seller again, this time all pissed as hell and tell him, "Why in hell did you tell me this card measures out perfectly when it is so obviously a trim job?????!!!!!!!" His reply? "It DOES measure correctly. You're just a scam artist trying to steal from me. If the card is trimmed, you did it, so you can rip me off!! I'm going to report you to ebay!!"

Fast forward to me filing a report with ebay. I simply scanned the card on top of a ruler, showing how it was practically 1/8" short. I put that image next to the image he used in the auction to prove to ebay that nothing changed on the card--it certainly wasn't trimmed by me--from when he had it until I received it. I also cut and pasted his replies to my questions, saying he himself measured the card out, etc. Ebay took like 4 minutes to decide in my favor.

When I mentioned slimeballs earlier in this thread, it's people like this do_chebag I was referring to. He makes a scumbag move by purposefully selling a trimmed card. When it's brought to his attention, he blatantly lies about it and threatens to report ME to ebay. Just an absolute f-cking scumbag.

Some of you claim you don't run into these types of sellers. That is truly awesome, but don't think for a second these f-cknuts aren't out there in full force, trying to rip you and me off.

Darren, not to defend the seller in your example at all, because it was wrong to provide false information about the card, but I do not understand something. With as knowledgeable as you are about GT's, you probably know that some of them are notoriously cut short. (For exmaple, I have come across about dozen copies of the #117 Geiger GT that are short both ways). So based on your knowledge of 62 GTs, coupled with what you saw in the scan, and most importantly based on all of your past experiences with the less than truthful sellers you constantly seem to encounter, why would you just not use your browser's back button, move on, and save yourself all of this dramatic frustration??



I agree with you there are some less than credible sellers out there, but I avoid them like the plague(like others mentioned, I rely on the scans to assist my decision to buy or not buy)....thus, 95% of my transactions I am happy with.

I buy a lot more on ebay than what I sell....however, the few concerns I have had from buyers almost always stem from them either not reading the description AND/OR not looking at the scan. Despite the fact that I feel that a buyer who does not read the description or look at the scan should own their mistake, I gladly accept the card(s) back per ebay's return policy.

[vintagetoppsguy]

I don't understand why some people see a card that is short either one or both ways and automatically assume it's trimmed.

With a little bit of experience and a good loupe, it's easy to distinguish a factory cut from a non-factory cut.

A card can measure short and not be trimmed. Likewise, a card can measure just fine and still be trimmed.

If you look at a card that's short and automatically assume it's trimmed, then what do you think about the cards that are actually 1/8th of an inch oversized?

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

If you look at a card that's short and automatically assume it's trimmed, then what do you think about the cards that are actually 1/8th of an inch oversized?

Must be a "big shot" selling it

[Exhibitman]

There are bad sellers on eBay. They are relatively few and far between. There are lots of unprofessional people with poor communications skills and bad due diligence habits. Those people are usually the ones who get complaints and they are usually negligent rather than malicious. I always assume that the seller made an honest mistake. My first communication is polite, formal and clear. If that doesn't work, then I get medieval on the now-proven scumbag.

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Darren, not to defend the seller in your example at all, because it was wrong to provide false information about the card, but I do not understand something. With as knowledgeable as you are about GT's, you probably know that some of them are notoriously cut short. (For exmaple, I have come across about dozen copies of the #117 Geiger GT that are short both ways). So based on your knowledge of 62 GTs, coupled with what you saw in the scan, and most importantly based on all of your past experiences with the less than truthful sellers you constantly seem to encounter, why would you just not use your browser's back button, move on, and save yourself all of this dramatic frustration??



I agree with you there are some less than credible sellers out there, but I avoid them like the plague(like others mentioned, I rely on the scans to assist my decision to buy or not buy)....thus, 95% of my transactions I am happy with.

I buy a lot more on ebay than what I sell....however, the few concerns I have had from buyers almost always stem from them either not reading the description AND/OR not looking at the scan. Despite the fact that I feel that a buyer who does not read the description or look at the scan should own their mistake, I gladly accept the card(s) back per ebay's return policy.

Hey.
Well, this happened a little bit of a while back, so I wasn't as well-versed with the GT's yet. The main problem was it seemed like something was off, but it wasn't blatantly obvious. That's why I asked him the question I did. When all was said and done, the reason the card looked pretty much right was because he trimmed it both ways, so it still looked proportionately correct. Know what I mean?

And I haven't run into GT's that are short of spec. Granted, I haven't measured all of mine with a ruler, but I was completely unaware that was even a problem. It hasn't been with me. This guy told me he measured it and assured me it was right. Then he turned around and claimed I trimmed it. Just a complete d-uchebag.