Wagner Bought on eBay for under $200 (video)

[Mikehealer]

Originally Posted by Leon

I would say buying a 350k+ card for $170 is newsworthy. The guy seems like a real nice guy in the video too.

Leon, do you think it's not a reprint?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Mikehealer

Leon, do you think it's not a reprint?

I posted that comment ONLY from seeing the video and not a close up of the card. On further inspection after the links were posted, I don't think it's going to be a happy ending for the buyer. I hope I am wrong though.

[t206hound]

another screen grab:

[Mikehealer]

Originally Posted by Leon

I posted that comment ONLY from seeing the video and not a close up of the card. On further inspection after the links were posted, I don't think it's going to be a happy ending for the buyer. I hope I am wrong though.

It would be a pretty cool story if it were real.

[Bpm0014]

It's not a horrible reprint though... Fake, but not blatant. Had it been a $15 common or even a $50 minor HOFer, it fools 9/10 people I think.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

It's not a horrible reprint though... Fake, but not blatant. Had it been a $15 common or even a $50 minor HOFer, it fools 9/10 people I think.

Brendan, once it's under a loupe, it's a fake in 3 seconds. If 9 out of 10 people don't use loupes for lithograph items that, if real, are quite valuable, then not only will 9 out of people be fooled, but 9 out of 10 people are fools.

[chernieto]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Brendan, once it's under a loupe, it's a fake in 3 seconds. If 9 out of 10 people don't use loupes for items that, if real, are quite valuable, then not only will 9 out of people be fooled, but 9 out of 10 people are fools.

ouch!

luppy loupe.jpg

I never used one on ebay before - I admit it. The ability of N54 members to pick out a fake is far greater than the general public's ability.
N54 members vs TPG's now....I don't know!

[ullmandds]

I have never used a loupe on ebay before either...most fakes are very easy to deduce. This one looks netter than most...but is still discernible as fake without extra magnification.

I have a friend who is a buyer of gold/silver and stones...and she carries a loupe on her keychain everywhere she goes. I'm considering doing the same...I may have to buy a man purse!

Originally Posted by chernieto

ouch!

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I never used one on ebay before - I admit it. The ability of N54 members to pick out a fake is far greater than the general public's ability.
N54 members vs TPG's now....I don't know!

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by chernieto

ouch!

I never used one on ebay before - I admit it. The ability of N54 members to pick out a fake is far greater than the general public's ability.
N54 members vs TPG's now....I don't know!

I know you guys are all brilliant, but even if you think you have eagle-eyes like Paul's, if you are thinking about buying a valuable card and you have any doubt whatsoever, my own personal opinion is that you should take out your loupe and waste 3 seconds verifying the veracity of your peepers. With lithos it's a very easy test.

I doubt anyone here would buy a Wagner without seeing it in person, so my loupe idea is probably do-able. The guy who won this Wagner obviously didn't have that option, but the card was advertised as a 'reprint'. That was enough for me to move on when I saw the listing - since the scan looked like a real card, I assumed that the seller had printed off a photo of a real Wagner and roughed it up. I still think that's what he did - it would take some work, but it wouldn't be too hard to glue good front and back photos to a thin piece of cardboard and rough it up.

Spending $177 on that card was like buying a lottery ticket for a lottery that was over.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by Leon

I posted that comment ONLY from seeing the video and not a close up of the card. On further inspection after the links were posted, I don't think it's going to be a happy ending for the buyer. I hope I am wrong though.

+++1. The guy seems like a really great guy, but I would be amazed if the real deal was sold through ebay, rather than via REA, Goodwin, etc. who's going to let a real one go for just $170???

Best of luck to the gentleman, however. It would be wonderful to think that fate could smile so tremendously upon him!

Larry

[Econteachert205]

Hey maybe YOU could be the next! Lol

http://www.ebay.com/itm/honus-wagner...item1c46334acb


30 bids

[mrvster]

seeking Wagner my whole life....this is another "ark"........

[callou2131]

The guy is a real gem too. says he won it last month when he won it on the 8th. Then in one post he says
Jason Mars Yeah reprints are sold online but unless you have held an authentic Wagner then don't comment...trust me...been collecting 35 years and have hundreds of t206 cards...I know what a reprint is!!!have u spent 300 hours researching and mag ifying this card and printing and everythih...please don't comment unless u know....not what u think u know...only true way is to have card in your hand a d do all the test period!
Like · Reply · 6 hours ago

and he is also saying he was a card grader

Jason Mars Honestly why would u even comment.....couple hundred t206 cards 35 years experience and you make a judgment from a picture....only way to authentic it is lots of test...you judge when u don't even know....did u know I was a card grader??????????hmmmmmm.....

He is also claiming alot of "big time" collectors were bidding on it so that shows it is real. If they thought it was real wouldnt they bid more than 200 bucks lol.
Thank you Benjamin...I do want to say one thing I could buy 100 reprints for 10...why would I pay 200 for this card if I could buy a reprint for a dollar...I was bidding against olot of big time collectors....so. if they were bidding they saw something to.....no one in there right mind would pay 200 for a reprint if they can buy it for a dollar.....this 100 percent real....the people who are saying it is fake doesn't have the card in front of them and foesny know who I talked to......thank you Benjamin for they comment and you will see its real...I appreciate your nice comment.

[MW1]

Update: It was an old man just wanting to get rid of it. He didn't care about money:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152454916018043

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by callou2131

The guy is a real gem too. says he won it last month when he won it on the 8th. Then in one post he says
Jason Mars Yeah reprints are sold online but unless you have held an authentic Wagner then don't comment...trust me...been collecting 35 years and have hundreds of t206 cards...I know what a reprint is!!!have u spent 300 hours researching and mag ifying this card and printing and everythih...please don't comment unless u know....not what u think u know...only true way is to have card in your hand a d do all the test period!
Like · Reply · 6 hours ago

and he is also saying he was a card grader

Jason Mars Honestly why would u even comment.....couple hundred t206 cards 35 years experience and you make a judgment from a picture....only way to authentic it is lots of test...you judge when u don't even know....did u know I was a card grader??????????hmmmmmm.....

He is also claiming alot of "big time" collectors were bidding on it so that shows it is real. If they thought it was real wouldnt they bid more than 200 bucks lol.
Thank you Benjamin...I do want to say one thing I could buy 100 reprints for 10...why would I pay 200 for this card if I could buy a reprint for a dollar...I was bidding against olot of big time collectors....so. if they were bidding they saw something to.....no one in there right mind would pay 200 for a reprint if they can buy it for a dollar.....this 100 percent real....the people who are saying it is fake doesn't have the card in front of them and foesny know who I talked to......thank you Benjamin for they comment and you will see its real...I appreciate your nice comment.

It is hard for me to believe he has ever dealt with a t206 based off the video. The video has him going through a binder of newer "shiney" cards and then stops to point out a card that is "40 years old", if he gets excited to point out a 70's card than I doubt he sees, let alone owns, any pre war cards.

[deucetwins]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

Hey maybe YOU could be the next! Lol

http://www.ebay.com/itm/honus-wagner...item1c46334acb


30 bids

What's the deal with feebay guidelines forcing him to list as a reprint? Do they have a special rule in place for Wagner cards?

[MikeKam]

Originally Posted by deucetwins

What's the deal with feebay guidelines forcing him to list as a reprint? Do they have a special rule in place for Wagner cards?

I think its just a way of protecting himself from any claims of him selling it as an authentic Wagner.

He knows its a worthless reprint, but he gives the illusion of the possibility of it being authentic saying he's not sure, but not guaranteeing it.

[Econteachert205]

Originally Posted by deucetwins

What's the deal with feebay guidelines forcing him to list as a reprint? Do they have a special rule in place for Wagner cards?

If you list as a reprint, clearly and straight forward, card does nothing. If instead you say that ebay forces you to list it as a reprint, suckers think it might actually be real and place bids. Also happens with Jordan rookies and certain other cards.


Got molina'd

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by deucetwins

What's the deal with feebay guidelines forcing him to list as a reprint? Do they have a special rule in place for Wagner cards?

To my knowledge ,The Wagner is one of the cards that must be graded to sell on ebay. If not listed somewhere as a reprint, it would have to be yanked (in theory).

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by Leon

I posted that comment ONLY from seeing the video and not a close up of the card. On further inspection after the links were posted, I don't think it's going to be a happy ending for the buyer. I hope I am wrong though.

+++1. The buyer seems like a great guy, but do you really sell an authentic Wagner in that venue, rather than through REA, Goodwin, etc., with an appropriate reserve? What legitimate seller would let one go for that price?

It would, however, be wonderful to see fate smiling down with such tremendous intensity on a good guy in a screwed up world! I hope it happens.

Best wishes,

Larry

[sbfinley]

In reality what was the last undiscovered Wagner to suddenly appear in the market? Not an instance like the Nun Wagner that was already a known commodity in a secret collection, but I true "I have no idea what I have here" appearance. Got to be what? Early 80's? I'm sure there might be a handful of secret Wagner's hiding in unknown collection, but the idea of a new example magically appearing in a dusty attic is just a fairy tale and will with most certainly never happen again in my eyes.

[2dueces]

I'm searching for the Holy Grail.

We've already got one. It's very nice.

I told him we've already got one!

Laughter behind the wall.

[Howe’s Hunter]

much less research it.

My wife and I have been interested in penny flooring for some time. Found a news item on youtube about a woman in New York, who the reporters said had $30,000 in pennies invested in her floor.

Hummmmm.... there are 225 pennies in a square foot. That would mean her kitchen was 13,333 square foot.

Later, in an article on their website, the station corrected themselves, saying they realized that while she may have said she had $30,000 in pennies invested in her floor, the eight foot by 12 foot kitchen actually had only 16,000 pennies (counting cupboards taking space) at a cost to her of $160.

$30,000 vs. $160. My favorite part was it was a Fox station that had the report. Never known for getting any facts right.

[callou2131]

He is not a great guy. I caught him in numerous lies which the news station removed from Facebook. First he said he got it last month, but the auction ended on the 7th. Then he said he spent 300 hours examining the card through a loop, when he hasn't even had the card 300 hours, then he changed it to 100 hours. He said it was an 87 year old man just trying to get rid of cards and didn't care about the money. He said he offered the man $200 on the phone. If that is the case and he was sure it was real, he tried to screw an old man out of thousands of dollars by taking advantage of him not knowing. Also this old man trying to get rid of his collection purchased this reprint on 7/6 for $59. He has stated that he was a professional card grader, then he refers to the cards edge as "the rim" of the card. He stated that it has been authenticated and had paper testing done, then he says a pawn shop owner and some guy that does lithographs authenticated it. Then he told the news that he will be having authenticated later. He attempted to sell this card on craigslist first. Then when it didn't sell he contacted the news about this. Again trying to screw someone. He is trying to use the news to legitimize this card. Here are some of his quotes from Facebook that were removed.
Yeah reprints are sold online but unless you have held an authentic Wagner then don't comment...trust me...been collecting 35 years and have hundreds of t206 cards...I know what a reprint is!!!have u spent 300 hours researching and mag ifying this card and printing and everythih...please don't comment unless u know....not what u think u know...only true way is to have card in your hand a d do all the test period!

Amazing card only 57 in world. Was authenticated today at 100 percent authentic

Honestly why would u even comment.....couple hundred t206 cards 35 years experience and you make a judgment from a picture....only way to authentic it is lots of test...you judge when u don't even know....did u know I was a card grader??????????hmmmmmm.....

You gathers can hate all you want....do your research I am a card expert....card grader...thanks everyone for the nice post but remember this to everyone who thinks its a fake....special print testing was done....paper testing....did you check rim of card??? You can't unless you have it in your possession....none of you are card experts and none of you grade cards for a living??? You cannot make a judgment unless u have the card! I am sure none of you have graded card! None of you have t206 card collections! Hmmm does any of you know there is a 26 card inspection...probably not! That's what the problem with world now days people sit back and judge off one photo? Do u know why card was listed as reprint no you don't??? Go figure life out....its a shame when something good comes to someone people like u have nothing better to do them judge what u don't know!!!! All you card experts think that you can determine validity of card from a photo. Keep your opinions to yourself unless you know the facts!

This guy is Scum. Plus from his rantings filled with awful grammar, I would venture to guess he isn't too bright either.

[callou2131]

Also if you watch the original video he says he is out of work and that he lost his job because he has had multiple back surgeries. But in this article http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines...275383891.html

He says he works in the warehouse of a food bank. he is trying to prey on the sympathy card. I would bet that once it is proven fake they will try and do some fundraising to help out this poor out of work man that was fired because of his back injuries. This is a scam by a con man.

[Jeffrompa]

Big foot found news at 11 .