1960 Pittsburgh Pirates Championship Team Ball Opinions

[Lordstan]

Unfortunately for you, your instincts are correct. It is clearly a stamped ball.

[soughtseven1035]

Right now it's a 2/2. I need to get more opinions. How sure are you and why?

[earlywynnfan]

stamped ball. Here's what to look for:

no maker stamp.
uniform pen pressure
none of the sigs touch, although they may run into the strings without any skipping (just try to do this!)

[soughtseven1035]

thanks guys, more opinions please. sorry i just want so much for this to be real. a guy who constantly sends in stuff to the PSA told me that he believes its real. why would he lie when he sells stuff like this for a living? he sends them into psa and pays big bucks for them to grade and he was very convincing in telling me because hes a huge pirates fan and this is what he told me:

"As far as I can tell it's real.
(I wouldn't have messed around for an obviously stamped one!) Generally, stamped signatures look flat.
There's no indentation, whereas a pen would leave one. More important, the ball is missing a key signature -- third baseman Don Hoak, a starter throughout the season and in all seven games of the Series.
No merchandiser would intentionally leave him off."

[MikeKam]

100% stamped, sorry.

[soughtseven1035]

i just tried going across seams with my signature and it didnt skip. i didnt even take my time. cmon guys someones gotta think its real

[MikeKam]

Originally Posted by soughtseven1035

i just tried going across seams with my signature and it didnt skip. i didnt even take my time. cmon guys someones gotta think its real

We've all been in that position where we want a forgery, reprint, or whatever to be real. It's not a hand signed ball, sorry.

[almostdone]

Another giveaway on a stamped ball is all the same shade of ink and the lines are the same thickness. Even if a team passed the ball and pen around to sign with different players would apply different pressure which would come out as thickness and shade of ink. Sorry to agree because I know had bad you want it be real but I'm going with the vote for a stamped facsimile ball. Sorry.
Drew

[soughtseven1035]

no big deal, i never get lucky enough to find something like this. i knew it was fake, i just wanted it to be real so badly. i just looked at some real signatures and yeah i can definitely tell its not real now. thanks for all the new tips though, it will help me down the road. you live you learn i guess

[Duluth Eskimo]

Stamp-o-Rama......

[almostdone]

Originally Posted by soughtseven1035

. a guy who constantly sends in stuff to the PSA told me that he believes its real. why would he lie when he sells stuff like this for a living? he sends them into psa and pays big bucks for them to grade and he was very convincing

"As far as I can tell it's real.
(I wouldn't have messed around for an obviously stamped one!) Generally, stamped signatures look flat.
There's no indentation, whereas a pen would leave one. More important, the ball is missing a key signature -- third baseman Don Hoak, a starter throughout the season and in all seven games of the Series.
No merchandiser would intentionally leave him off."

Not to sound like a jerk but if this guy constantly sends in things to be graded and pay big buck to do so why wouldn't he do it with this ball. If it was me and I was convinced I would send it, get authentication on it and sell for a huge profit.
Me thinks he isn't being as honest as you would like him to be.
Drew

[soughtseven1035]

that is true, but don't you think he would tell me opposite to get a good price on it? i believe he would do it with this ball, but he puporsely said he wouldnt mess around with something that seemed obvious to him. he seems like a huge pirates fan. maybe this is a rare souvenir ball that left out the one name and there isnt many like it. its pretty apparent to all of you and others that it is stamped, but maybe its a rare stamp.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Or, maybe not

[parker1b2]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

stamped ball. Here's what to look for:

no maker stamp.
uniform pen pressure
none of the sigs touch, although they may run into the strings without any skipping (just try to do this!)

^^Yes this^^

Stamped souvenir ball