OT: Did Adam Dunn ruin his Hall chances

[D. Bergin]

Jeez, if a guy like Jeff Bagwell can't get much more then 50% of the vote, I really can't see Dunn getting the benefit of the doubt, even if he all of a sudden has a historical resurgence and ends up with 700 HR's.

If players like Dick Allen, Albert Belle, Frank Howard, Alan Trammell, Lou Whitaker, Dale Murphy can't even come close to sniffing the Hall, then Dunn won't get out of the first year of eligibility.

I remember guys belly-aching on here when Jim Rice got in, and he was the premier power hitter in the AL for nearly a decade.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Jeez, if a guy like Jeff Bagwell can't get much more then 50% of the vote, I really can't see Dunn getting the benefit of the doubt, even if he all of a sudden has a historical resurgence and ends up with 700 HR's.

If players like Dick Allen, Albert Belle, Frank Howard, Alan Trammell, Lou Whitaker, Dale Murphy can't even come close to sniffing the Hall, then Dunn won't get out of the first year of eligibility.

I remember guys belly-aching on here when Jim Rice got in, and he was the premier power hitter in the AL for nearly a decade.

Well said Dave....

[glchen]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Jeez, if a guy like Jeff Bagwell can't get much more then 50% of the vote, I really can't see Dunn getting the benefit of the doubt, even if he all of a sudden has a historical resurgence and ends up with 700 HR's.

If players like Dick Allen, Albert Belle, Frank Howard, Alan Trammell, Lou Whitaker, Dale Murphy can't even come close to sniffing the Hall, then Dunn won't get out of the first year of eligibility.

I remember guys belly-aching on here when Jim Rice got in, and he was the premier power hitter in the AL for nearly a decade.

I think the reason that Dunn is being argued is that if he continues his career, he may pass the 500 HR plateau. Previously, 500 HR's was a lock for the HOF, similar to 300 wins or 3000 hits. However, b/c of Dunn's historically low batting average and lack of MVP vote credentials, he would be one of the hitters that really would be stretching this milestone number. For the other hitters that were mentioned, either they have had some suspicion of PED use or they never hit the 500 HR number. I'm pretty sure most people believe that Dunn is clean especially b/c of his batting average number. He's like a Dave Kingman as others have mentioned.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by glchen

I think the reason that Dunn is being argued is that if he continues his career, he may pass the 500 HR plateau. Previously, 500 HR's was a lock for the HOF, similar to 300 wins or 3000 hits. However, b/c of Dunn's historically low batting average and lack of MVP vote credentials, he would be one of the hitters that really would be stretching this milestone number. For the other hitters that were mentioned, either they have had some suspicion of PED use or they never hit the 500 HR number. I'm pretty sure most people believe that Dunn is clean especially b/c of his batting average number. He's like a Dave Kingman as others have mentioned.

Gary, I've said it before but I think you missed it: the statement that 500 HR's is a lock for the HOF is FAILED LOGIC. '500 HRs' is not why these guys got into the HOF - it is only part of it. The guys with 500 HR's did a lot more than just hit 500 HR's. Adam Dunn has done a lot less.

[Davino]

FWIW, I used Dunn in a video game and he had TREMENDOUS power that stood out from even established home run hitters. LOL, this thread has been done to death.