Don't be surprised if..... (HOF debate!)

[Tabe]

Among non-players, the top guy is Marvin Miller. Nobody else is even close as a candidate.

[majordanby]

i think tim raines will eventually get in.

mariano rivera will get in. does trevor hoffman have a good shot?

[almostdone]

I think Hoffman should be in. If he played in a slightly different era, at least not at the same time as Rivera, or in a bigger market he wouldn't be in debate.
Clearly Rivera is the greatest closer of all time but I think Hoffman is an easy second best with third best a ways back. Just my opinion.
Drew

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by almostdone

I think Hoffman should be in. If he played in a slightly different era, at least not at the same time as Rivera, or in a bigger market he wouldn't be in debate.
Clearly Rivera is the greatest closer of all time but I think Hoffman is an easy second best with third best a ways back. Just my opinion.
Drew

Being a Yankee during their good times will always help you.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Raines didn't hit for power and played mostly for unglamorous teams. That hurts a lot. Too, his numbers don't seem to bear out election at least based on the Baseball Reference metrics where he falls short in every category.

Hall Of Fame StatisticsPlayer rank in (·)


Black Ink Batting - 20 (107), Average HOFer ≈ 27

Gray Ink Batting - 114 (182), Average HOFer ≈ 144

Hall of Fame Monitor Batting - 90 (193), Likely HOFer ≈ 100

Hall of Fame Standards Batting - 47 (103), Average HOFer ≈ 50

[Peter_Spaeth]

Hoffman rates pretty low among relief pitchers under the JAWS metric which is based on WAR for career and peak 7 years. He is 21st among relief pitchers. 1-4 are Eckersley Rivera Wilhelm Gossage so the metric isn't a total crock.