Don't be surprised if..... (HOF debate!)

[Steve D]

What's the feeling about Leo Mazzone's chances?

No coaches have ever been inducted, but what he did with the Braves pitching staff for 20-odd years, I would think, certainly merits consideration.

Steve

[BradH]

Originally Posted by Steve D

What's the feeling about Leo Mazzone's chances?

Quite frankly, zero. Ok, maybe nothing is ever "zero," so I'll peg it at 1%.

But on a Braves note, I'd guess John Schuerholz gets very strong consideration in 2016 (for the class of 2017). He will be riding the wave of Cox, Glavine, Maddux and (probably by then) Smoltz. When Pat Gillick got in it became just a matter of time for Schuerholz, who is considered the winningest GM in history and built up World Series champions in both Kansas City and Atlanta.

I agree that most of the guys on jimivintage's original list will get in eventually. Not saying I agree that they SHOULD get in (see Biggio), but I think they'll probably all get in some day. It would be historic if Biggio doesn't get in next year, based on how close he was this year. No one has ever been that close and then missed it the following year.

Assuming he doesn't take another job in the next couple years, I think Leyland is the next manager to go in and I'm sure Bochy will be there some day too.

Just my two cents.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Steve D

What's the feeling about Leo Mazzone's chances?

No coaches have ever been inducted, but what he did with the Braves pitching staff for 20-odd years, I would think, certainly merits consideration.

Steve

But with the O's he didn't do much.....so was it Leo or was it the talent he had to work with? And by "work," I mean rock back and forth

[jimivintage]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

But with the O's he didn't do much.....so was it Leo or was it the talent he had to work with? And by "work," I mean rock back and forth

Couldn't we say that about most managers though?

Joe Torre? He's in, but was it the budget and players that made him a HOFer?

For football, is it Tom Brady who put Bill Belichick on the map, or vise versa?

:P

I know what you're saying though.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by jimivintage

Couldn't we say that about most managers though?

Joe Torre? He's in, but was it the budget and players that made him a HOFer?


I know what you're saying though.

Totally agree and I hate that. Joe won exactly ONE Division crown and nothing else in the 15 years prior to NY. La Russa won with the guys the HOF is blackballing. Don't get me started....

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Totally agree and I hate that. Joe won exactly ONE Division crown and nothing else in the 15 years prior to NY. La Russa won with the guys the HOF is blackballing. Don't get me started....

Also Casey Stengel....