OT: Did Adam Dunn ruin his Hall chances

[MacDice]

This generations Dave Kingman.

[pclpads]

Originally Posted by MacDice

This generations Dave Kingman.

. . . or Crime Dog

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by pclpads

. . . or Crime Dog

Crime Dog????? Crime dog was a far far far far better hitter than both these guys. He's a HOFer in my opinion, just didn't get to the magical number sports writers need.

[caramelcard]

McGriff is close. Dunn is not close in my opinion, although he can BB with the best of them.

He's also very young for the HR numbers he's put up.

Rob

[UnVme7]

Agree I don't think he hurt his chances. I always said he'll be the first 500 HR hitter not to be elected.(not including guys like Palmeiro and Sheff). He's just so one dimensional and doesn't hit for avg. His .200 hitting every yr drives me nuts.

Loved McGriff by the way. Much, much better player than Dunn, no doubt.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by UnVme7

Agree I don't think he hurt his chances. I always said he'll be the first 500 HR hitter not to be elected.(not including guys like Palmeiro and Sheff)

Why not Sheff?


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[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

Why not Sheff?


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Steroids AND a dick head.

[ctownboy]

Oh yeah, as far as MVP votes go, he received votes in three different seasons and his highest finish was 21st. This means there were tams that had TWO players on them that received more votes than Dunn had.

According to baseballreference.com, Dunn led in walks twice and strike outs four times.

According to their evaluation system, Dunn's highest year for WAR was 2004 when he accumulated 4.7. THAT was the ONLY year he had more than 3. There were three years where he put up 2 WAR. In 2011, he put up -2.9 WAR. NEGATIVE 2.9 WAR.

In 13 years as an outfielder, he had 2089 Chances and 69 Errors. That is an .967 Fielding Percentage. People complained that the Reds didn't have good pitchers. Well, with Dunn fielding like THAT and playing in a bandbox, NO pitcher could be good.

As far as black ink goes, baseball reference has him at 4 where an average Hall Of Famer is at 27. For grey ink, they have him at 87 where an average HOF'er is at 144.

Pretty much any way you look at him, measure him or do anything you want with him, Adam "one tool" Dunn is NOT a Hall Of Fame player.

David

Oh yeah, for fun, go to a stats page and look at where Dunn stands on the career home run list. Then start looking at the guys around him and the stats THEY put up. Compare Dunn to Alfonso Soriano. Soriano put up similar home run stats as Dunn and did so while playing Second Base and leading off. So, which guy is more deserving of the Hall Of Fame? If Dunn is a HOF'er then Soriano has to be a slam dunk to go in....

[UnVme7]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

Why not Sheff?


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Correct, because he was associated with PED's. He has good numbers, one heck of a swing, and I personally liked him as a player, but the whole PED connection will hurt him.

Plus, the players that are eligible for the HOF in the next 5 yrs is pretty amazing. It's stacked.

[packs]

I know he's not your typical HOFer but hitting 40 home runs five years in a row is pretty special.

[sportscardtheory]

To me, a "clean" 600 HRs is the new lock for Hall induction.

[sayhey24]

Just for fun, mlb.com does a quick glance at every player's last 10 games. in his last 10 games, Adam Dunn is batting .200 with 0 home runs and 8 strikeouts. He has however, scored 1 run.

Greg

[chris6net]

Originally Posted by MacDice

This generations Dave Kingman.

Kingman was a much better player.
CN

[Peter_Spaeth]

He is better than his batting average suggests, since he walked quite a bit. Pretty good RBI guy. Not a HOFer, but not worthy of scorn either.

[Lgarza99]

Not even close to being a HOFer. He is/was a threat at the plate, but so one dimensional. But......I'm a Bay Area guy so I'm pulling for him. I'd like to see the A's get over the top.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Yes, in this era of PEDs, definitely a HOFer...and I really don't think this will be his last year.

Just a fraction of my Dunn RC collection. The only modern player I collect.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Two time all star whose highest MVP vote was 20th or so. He's not making the HOF, David.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Two time all star whose highest MVP vote was 20th or so. He's not making the HOF, David.

I know it seems we have differing opinions a lot, Peter

but...

The number of times a guy has made the All Star Game really shouldn't have much of an impact on a player's chances at the Hall of Fame, especially when every team has to send somebody to the game. Derek Jeter made the All Star Game this year, and as great as he has been throughout his career, he shouldn't have been an All Star this year. The All Star Game is supposed to recognize the best players in Major League baseball that particular season. Jeter was hitting .272 with 2 HR and 25 RBI at the time of the game.

Robin Yount, one of the best shortstops to ever play the game, was voted to the All Star Game only three times in his career. Hell, in 1989, he was the American League MVP, and won a Silver Slugger Award, too. But he wasn't an All Star.