Honus and his buddies...

[timn1]

absolutely??? Why so certain?

[bobbvc]

Absolutely! I have some other photos from this outing. It's Clarke.

[bobbvc]

I can't find the original thread from a couple of years ago but I'm not great at the search function on this site. Will try to re-scan over the weekend.

[Econteachert205]

I'm 100 percent sure that back middle is not Clarke and 90 percent sure it is lobert. Lobert was from the Pittsburg area and early in his career played for the pirates. I'm standing by this whether you have other photos from the outing or not. Not not not clarke. But, being the self doubting person I am .... Maybe...

[Econteachert205]

Abbaticchio however is a good call.

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

I'm 100 percent sure that back middle is not Clarke and 90 percent sure it is lobert. Lobert was from the Pittsburg area and early in his career played for the pirates. I'm standing by this whether you have other photos from the outing or not. Not not not clarke. But, being the self doubting person I am .... Maybe...

For what it's worth I don't think it's Clarke either.

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

I'm 100 percent sure that back middle is not Clarke and 90 percent sure it is lobert. Lobert was from the Pittsburg area and early in his career played for the pirates. I'm standing by this whether you have other photos from the outing or not. Not not not clarke. But, being the self doubting person I am .... Maybe...

The guy middle back is with certainty not Lobert. He was gone from the Pirates years before Dots Miller arrived, and the guy in question has a nose that is grossly different than Lobert's.

[Econteachert205]

Originally Posted by bmarlowe1

The guy middle back is with certainty not Lobert. He was gone from the Pirates years before Dots Miller arrived, and the guy in question has a nose that is grossly different than Lobert's.

This lobert is a much better angle comparison and the nose looks much less off. Also what says all the players in the picture have to be Pirates at that moment? Guys go fishing with each other on other teams. Wagner and Lobert were friends for 50 years.

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

This lobert is a much better angle comparison and the nose looks much less off. Also what says all the players in the picture have to be Pirates at that moment? Guys go fishing with each other on other teams. Wagner and Lobert were friends for 50 years.

The nose is still obviously grossly different. I have dozens of shots of Lobert and in each and every one (including the one you posted reproduced below left) he has a huge beak. Jimmy Durante type noses don't transform into "nice" noses with a slight turn of the head.

Also the jaw structures don't match well. Lobert had a significantly larger more prominent jaw. These two faces aren't even remotely similar.

[Runscott]

Dots Miller and Ed Abaticchio were both 5'11''.

Howie Camnitz was 5'9"