Some rare and expensive bakery goodies......

[nolemmings]

I disagree, it can just as easily show the guy didn't know what he had.

But why didn't you buy one? No downside if they were only a buck. You know pre-war cards pretty well, I should say. I assume you at least looked at them somewhat before speaking with him-- you said you say the prices on the back. Did they not look real to you and if not why not?

He said they came from the '70's but I'm guessing you didn't ask and he didn't tell how he got them. This still fits with my hypothesis in my first post--this is the exact time frame when Henry Johnson fakes (and probably Kending too) were supposedly made-- the same card fronts and everything. It very well could be that this was discussed among dealers-- no prior instance of this back before and known fakes using the same fronts ergo this is fake too. Heck your guy could have acquired them that same day from another dealer who sold 'em cheap because he thought they were fake, and he was parroting what he had been told. Your posts said this was a one time meeting with this dealer--never seen before or since-- yet it now seems you consider him some authority on the subject. Whether honest or not have you in your vast interactions with dealers at shows never come upon one or a hundred who acted and talked like they knew something that they clearly did not?

[Brian Van Horn]

Todd,

I don't buy fakes.

[packs]

The other logistical issue is that there is only one set. The value is in advertising and volume. So why would a company produce one set? Wouldn't that be insanely expensive and have no value to the company?

It is more likely that there is one set because it was never a set.

[nolemmings]

Did you even read my post #64? or the one a few prior to this one? Do you know a damn thing about e121s, Holsums, m101s, E135s or their related sets? Or are you just being a dumbass?

[packs]

Thanks for insulting me that is always a good way to make your point. We can have different opinions.

[benchod]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Did you even read my post #64? or the one a few prior to this one? Do you know a damn thing about e121s, Holsums, m101s, E135s or their related sets? Or are you just being a dumbass?

Todd,
You've shared your knowledge and used logical, rational reasoning.
It's not worth raising your blood pressure, anymore. There will always be conspiracy theorists.
Brian you have your opinion but it is not shared by the majority of the hobby.
Also you haven't admitted you were in error saying the seller was in Maryland. I don't doubt you saw some cards at a show that may have been reprints but how do your remember that they were this exact group?

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by benchod

Todd,
You've shared your knowledge and used logical, rational reasoning.
It's not worth raising your blood pressure, anymore. There will always be conspiracy theorists.
Brian you have your opinion but it is not shared by the majority of the hobby.
Also you haven't admitted you were in error saying the seller was in Maryland. I don't doubt you saw some cards at a show that may have been reprints but how do your remember that they were this exact group?

Sir,

I wasn't trying to be rude, but my memory serves me as Maryland. In the post from 2004 there is an eBay lot number. If that lot number states the seller is from Michigan, then by all means I am wrong. Still, my memory serves me as Maryland. That could be wrong. My memory of my conversation, although I forgot about the gentleman stating the cards were produced in the 1970s (please see December 24, 2004 post) is otherwise intact.

[Eric72]

I find it interesting that there are now a few (as opposed to just one) dissenting opinions regarding the authenticity of these cards.

Would the board please (collectively) post images of the cards in question? It could further this discussion in a positive and scholarly manner.

Best,

Eric

[Brian Van Horn]

Two matters here:

Eric,

That is an excellent idea. Rhett put up scans earlier of a couple cards, but lets help out with the scans we can retrieve.

On the other matter:

Todd,

You and I both know each other's knowledge of sets, particularly with the M101. If you would, please take it a little easier on your criticism of another board member.

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by Eric72

I find it interesting that there are now a few (as opposed to just one) dissenting opinions regarding the authenticity of these cards.

Would the board please (collectively) post images of the cards in question? It could further this discussion in a positive and scholarly manner.

Best,

Eric

Not true. The only people that are doubting them being real from what I have read is Brian and apparently Mich.ael We.ntz, with all due respect to packs he doesn't know what he is talking about with regards to these cards.