N175 Goodwin and Company Gypsy Queen packs, cartons, cards etc....

[1880nonsports]

not much has changed. I haven't thought much about it since relinquishing my pack. Time to re-visit the subject I suppose as my interest temporarily piqued.

few quick thoughts before I review Jerry's article.
Both cartons might have contained packs that contained inserts.
It makes sense that the one on the left is earlier despite it being more ornate as the "straight cut" verbiage and use of a label not sized for the box on the other suggests a contemporary or later issue. That said - I don't think the one on the right REPLACED the one on the left and expect the one on the left continued to be used. Perhaps the "SC" carton was to address a seperate (and smaller) segment of the market.

Both packs might have contained a card. and the one with a cancel appears within the correct time frame. Not sure about the photo cards but generally sets of the lithographed inserts were inserted all at the same time and all within a small window. I think the N162's would most likely have been in the box on the left. The GQ's - no idea.

[jerrys]

Leon, sorry about the link. I can not find anything wrong.

Joe, where can I find some GQ packs to study?

The GQs are conjecture.


Several ornate GQ cigarette boxes exist but the plainer GQ box is possibly unique.

[Joe_G.]

Hello Jerry, I thought that maybe you had some information, perhaps some overprints on the ornate packs, that led you to the believe that the N175s were matched to them while the later N162s were matched to the more plain packs. With Leon's overprint now entering the discussion, do you still believe N175s were issued with the ornate packs?

[jerrys]

I am sure the tobacco companies did not start and stop design and product changes by the calendar. There must have been an overlap of the older cards and packs blending with of the new. That November 1 product could have been the beginning of the last run of GQ cards - the N162s.........?

[Joe_G.]

Originally Posted by jerrys

I am sure the tobacco companies did not start and stop design and product changes by the calendar. There must have been an overlap of the older cards and packs blending with of the new. That November 1 product could have been the beginning of the last run of GQ cards - the N162s.........?

Could be, but there is pretty good evidence that the N175s date to 1887 and N162s date to 1888 based on player/team combos. Goodwin was always quick to update player moves. With the N162s, Dunlap is shown with Pittsburgh. Dunlap played 1887 w/ Detroit and would sign Pittsburgh contract in January of 1888 but not named Captain of the team until just before the start of the season. His N162 shows him as Captain of the Pittsburgh team. I believe the baseball card production and distribution mirrored the baseball season with tobacco pack inserts changing to other subject matter during the off season.

[jerrys]

Joe - sounds right.
The GQ order:
1887 N175 plain pack
Overlap
1888 N162 ornate pack

N175 cards are much scarcer than N162s. Why? The replacement offered -
ornate pack, better insert card, longer run, advertising, all....?

Any comments about attribution of the later cigarette packs in the article?

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