Yet another 14 CJ thread. Question regarding staining and grading.

[3-2-count]

Hiya Steve,

No doubt OJ's fall into a similar category. Personally I look at those differently though. Yes we've seen some examples in mid to high grade with an image you can barely make out, but for the most part lower graded examples we see are due to paper loss on the reverse.

There really doesn't seem to be a specific consistent criteria third party grading follows though when it comes to 14 CJ's. I see so many with a nice clean front and back with no creases yet have a spot or two of staining and range from vg to ex. Drives me nuts!

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by 3-2-count

Hiya Steve,

No doubt OJ's fall into a similar category. Personally I look at those differently though. Yes we've seen some examples in mid to high grade with an image you can barely make out, but for the most part lower graded examples we see are due to paper loss on the reverse.

There really doesn't seem to be a specific consistent criteria third party grading follows though when it comes to 14 CJ's. I see so many with a nice clean front and back with no creases yet have a spot or two of staining and range from vg to ex. Drives me nuts!

My beef is that you will also see many cards with stains covering a majority of the card in the same grade range. There can be two SGC 40 CJ 14s with similar corners and centering but one with a small stain on the back and the other with stains covering the entire card.

If the stains do not enter into the grading then fine. If they should then fine. Problem is there seems to be little rhyme or reason. A monkey throwing s*** against a wall has more accuracy and consistency it would seem.

Tom C

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

My beef is that you will also see many cards with stains covering a majority of the card in the same grade range. There can be two SGC 40 CJ 14s with similar corners and centering but one with a small stain on the back and the other with stains covering the entire card.

If the stains do not enter into the grading then fine. If they should then fine. Problem is there seems to be little rhyme or reason. A monkey throwing s*** against a wall has more accuracy and consistency it would seem.

Tom C

Yup.........

[sniffy5]

I have heard different things over the years with regards to 1914's and stains. In fact I was told recently that Psa will no longer give any 1914 with a stain a grade over 4. But I tend to doubt that.

What I do know for certain with Psa is that when they get a really, really nice 1914, a card in the 8 range, then the qualifiers kick in. That's why so many of the Psa 8 1914's (and there's not many) have a stain or OC qualifier. Someone, sometime at Psa made a rule about that.