T206 Errors and Oddities.. Show Yours

[mrvster]

why it appeared "printed"

very good investigation

eagle eye I must call you!!!! grasshopper....the student has become the master

[steve B]

Am I seeing that right? The dent is pushed into the back? Do the others seem dented too?

If so that's the weirdest thing I've seen in a long time. I'll have to do some thinking to figure out how that happened. Do the others seem dented too?

Before you showed the others I figured it was a bit of debris getting dragged across the blanket while light blue was printing. And finally getting ground into the stock. But that wouldn't be recurring and wouldn't dent the back.

Some have a bit of a shadow around them almost like a big fisheye. But that shouldn't cause the back damage.

And a bit of debris on the impression cylinder which would cause the dent shouldn't affect the inking on the front at all.

A piece that damaged the plate ......Ah, that's a possibility. A bad gouge or dent into the plate will hold ink and print. And if that debris damaged the blanket too, it might emboss the card. But that doesn't make sense either. The impression cylinder should be steel. So it wouldn't emboss. towards the front.

The only options that work are so far out there they make no sense. And they'd totally change how T206 production is viewed if there's any evidence of it. I'll have to really start looking into the presses Hoe made for lithography.

Fascinating card in a lot of ways.

Steve B

[mrvster]

maybe something got in between the impression cylnder piece of debris?? that caused the embossing?? and in, turn, the impression picked up blue ink??

[vthobby]

After browsing this thread over the last few days, I got the "fever" and then found this nugget that ended tonite on the bay. All for the price of a night out at the movies!

Not only is it a cool oddity but its of one of the original "firemen": "Doc" Crandall who also pitched alongside "Matty".

Cool stuff.

Peace, Mike

PS Could someone tell me the correct term for this anomaly: Off set print? Print shift? etc.... please advise, thanks, mike

[Sean]

I refer to it as a Color Shift.

[mrvster]

"color shift" is the term we have been using! ....doc is a great card at a great price ~!

congrats!....nice error

[steve B]

Color shift works as well as any description.

The technical term is misegistration.

Stick with color shift.

And that's a nice one, that much displacement isn't common.

Steve B

[wolf441]

Originally Posted by mrvster

maybe something got in between the impression cylnder piece of debris?? that caused the embossing?? and in, turn, the impression picked up blue ink??

+1.

Steve B.,

Any chance that a little string of dried ink got stuck on the printer? I have zero knowledge of the printing process, just thinking about what happens sometimes when you are using a can of paint for a long time...

[steve B]

Originally Posted by wolf441

+1.

Steve B.,

Any chance that a little string of dried ink got stuck on the printer? I have zero knowledge of the printing process, just thinking about what happens sometimes when you are using a can of paint for a long time...

The error is so odd I wouldn't rule it out at this point.

In general, some of the inks take a long time to fully dry, but they're "dry" very soon after printing. It runs through a set of rollers to spread it out evenly to ink the plate, and drips aren't common. A bit of overinking or spatter yes, huge gobs of ink allowed to harden? Not usually. And dried ink isn't very strong, the press should have crushed it if that happened.

I suspect a nail or bit of wire.

I've aslo spent a chunk of time looking at 1910 and earlier press patents. I'm almost rethinking the overall production entirely. Almost.

Steve B

[t206blogcom]

I was looking through my SLs when I noticed my Miller (Piedmont 350) had multiple crop marks. I've seen plenty that have the small marks on the center side/top/bottom and one or two with a horizontal line at the top. I haven't seen one that had a 'T' mark at the top like this one. It also has a right side crop mark, a center bottom crop mark and two small blue marks in the bottom right side border. Any others like this out there?

[steve B]

This one

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206...item3ce1ee8171

And this one

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOLLY-MILLER...item5b04ab0c4d

Both show the spot on the lower right border and the fine white lines in the background. But they don't have the registration marks a prominently.

The registration marks were either removed or wore off the plate in use. But the border dot and the fine lines being on multiple copies make that an identifiable individual position on one sheet. Another bit of the puzzle.

Steve B