Issue with Probstein (and nothing to do with Shill Bidding)

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

Explain to me what is crazy about it? That he satisfies high end customers and f's over the lesser along with shilling auctions? Doesn't seem crazy to me. It sounds right on point.

Jason- My response of "being crazy" was based on your point about him stealing cards being not to far of a stretch...Nothing at all pertaining shilling accusations...

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Jason- My response of "being crazy" was based on your point about him stealing cards being not to far of a stretch...Nothing at all pertaining shilling accusations...

Yeah, I can't imagine a guy who is willing to break the law one way in his auctions being tempted to break it in another way. Like maybe obstructing justice, altering cards, selling fakes, etc. etc. I mean it's not like such a guy was in the news say, a few days ago, doing the same thing. Just impossible to imagine.

[CMIZ5290]

Jeff- I was simply pointing out accusations of Probstein stealing cards. That's laughable. These threads about bid shilling have been going on since King Kong was a squirrel monkey....Where does it get us? What is the resolve?

[calvindog]

Kevin, I'm at a loss in trying to decipher your point here. You might as well say "How does the prosecution and conviction of multiple owners of auction houses get me 8 OC T206 cards?"

Why are drug dealers prosecuted? After all, illegal drugs are still on the street. Why do we prosecute stock market fraudsters? Fraud in the market still exists. What's the resolve?

[Gradedcardman]

+ 1

[Duluth Eskimo]

I am confused how "good customer service", "the process of moving", and the same old threads of "shilling accusations" hide the fact (I am taking the OP at face value as this is a believable story based on prior accusations) that the seller is refusing to return property that he does not own. Furthermore, claims that he doesn't even know where items are and offers to allow the consignor to come and search for it himself? I have not done business with this guy and would not even think about it. If I was moving, maybe a break in sales would be called for. When I am selling items for people, I treat them as priority one as far as safety and security goes. Then again, I am not a big time eBay seller, I am only a caveman lawyer.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Gradedcardman

+ 1

I should have known you would agree being the biggest ass kisser on the board as you are...

[CMIZ5290]

I am sure Rick is terrified of all these latest accusations, and his business will suffer tremendously....

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I should have known you would agree being the biggest ass kisser on the board as you are...

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I am sure Rick is terrified of all these latest accusations, and his business will suffer tremendously....

It's rare to find someone so proud of their stupidity.

Ask any of the dozens or more auction house owners or employees who have been indicted, convicted or investigated by the feds if they aren't shitting their pants during the process. Even during the investigation. If I were Probstein I would cringe every time you posted something as moronic as that.

And why is Adam an ass kisser? Because he responded to a logical conclusion instead of an incoherent, non-sequitur which appears to be some kind of ham-handed attempt to cover for a fraudster?

I remember a time not that long ago that these same sort of idiotic defenses were made for Mastro and Allen; some were nefarious in motive, others just plain dopey. And since then, they've been investigated, indicted, convicted, on their way to jail. And all levels of fraudsters since 2006 have had similar experiences; many with frauds a fraction of the size that Bill and Doug committed. The one thing that remains constant: some ignorant dummy laughing about it, saying it's not a big deal, nothing can be proven, the Daily News has a vendetta and is forcing prosecutors to make public statements about the poor auction house owners. Never their fault. Blahzy blahzy blah.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Kevin, I'm at a loss in trying to decipher your point here. You might as well say "How does the prosecution and conviction of multiple owners of auction houses get me 8 OC T206 cards?"

Why are drug dealers prosecuted? After all, illegal drugs are still on the street. Why do we prosecute stock market fraudsters? Fraud in the market still exists. What's the resolve?

Blah, blah, blazzy blah.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Jeff- I was simply pointing out accusations of Probstein stealing cards. That's laughable. These threads about bid shilling have been going on since King Kong was a squirrel monkey....Where does it get us? What is the resolve?

All those threads do help in my opinion, the problem is some people ignore what a piece of work he is and still do business with him anyway. Because as we all know $ is king. The only thing that will be laughable is when Rick screws over the people that stick up for him, then I will laugh.