1962 Post Canadian Baseball Card Production

LuckyLuke · #1 08-03-2014, 02:52 PM

Hello Dan..as always thank you for sharing all your knowledge. Opens the window to the past for those who were too young to collect these pieces of history as they came to market.

Can you speak to the scarcity of seeing full panels(6 player) examples, have collectors been acquiring singles rather than full panels? Did all cards come in panels of 6...3....? I apologize if you have answered this question already.

Finally, I know you are a passionate collector and the value in your collection can only be measured by the shear enjoyment that it brings you, but can you speak to the market valuations on these Canadian issues as compared to the US issues? Have the price guides properly accounted for scarcity...condition...etc.

Lat question for you Dan...have you seen many full 6 player panels...in tact? Specifically...I have a 6 player panel which has Mantle, Friend, Wynn, Skinner, Smith, Kluszewski... Can you let me know where this came from? Are these rare...in great condition...?

Thanks again for all your time and knowledge....Paul.

keepmeposted · #2 08-04-2014, 09:40 AM

Paul --

The number of cards per panel vary, depending on the variety and size of the cereal box. The boxes of 14 oz. Bran Flakes, 12 oz. Grape Nuts Flakes, and 10oz. Alpha-Bits displayed 7 cards per panel. The boxes of 8 oz. Bran Flakes, 7 oz. Grape Nut Flakes, 7 oz. Alpha-Bits, and 9 oz. Oat Flakes displayed 5 cards per panel. The boxes of Grape Nuts had 4 cards per panel, and the Sugar Crisp perforated insert panels were exclusively in 6 card sheets. [NOTE: In those cases where you see 3 card perforated sheets, they are simply Sugar Crisp panels that were separated by collectors.]

The number of surviving 1962P Canadian baseball card panels visible to the hobby since 1980 is miniscule. I have seen only one (1) complete box panel (which includes the promotion block) in 35 years. If I recall correctly, this is in the possession of Mike Tiry, who sent me a nice color copy of the 14 oz. Bran Flakes panel featuring Johnny Blanchard and Robin Roberts. The perforated Sugar Crisp complete (i.e. intact) panels I have seen offered number about 20. I have 6 of the 8 Sugar Crisp panels in my possession, and full-sized color copies of the remaining 2 -- including the Whitey Ford Los Angeles Dodgers error. My opinion is that a pristine (stone cold mint) condition uncut Sugar Crisp panel would be valued four (4) times greater than the market price for each individual mint perforated card.

This leads to the question: What is the "right" value for individual 1962P Canadian baseball cards? Since my first edition of NORTHERN EXPOSURE in 1996, I have evaded making this determination. I came up with a formula, called the Mabey Price Primer (MPP), that attempted to extrapolate "then-priced" values of U.S. 1962 Post baseball cards and factor true scarcity (cereal box variety/size, single prints, player-to-panel (PTP) pairings, etc.) of the 1962P Canadian baseball cards. What was my conclusion in 1996, and now in 2014? The bilingual NM to EX+ condition English-French cards are VASTLY undervalued. Of course, the ultimate determinant of value is what a person is willing to pay. The evolution of eBay has destroyed my 50 year collector value construct, as I see people paying jaw-dropping amounts for the super tough cards. I honestly cannot comment on the reliability of current price guides, because I haven't bothered to see one in 8 years. When I was very active in the hobby in the late 1970s through early 1990s, I knew many of the respected and high-profile dealers and collectors that Beckett, SCD, and Canadian Sportscard Collector relied upon in publishing values and market trends. With eBay and various high profile auction houses, I couldn't even begin to assess (or justify?) the knowledge, mental stability, or motivation, of buyers. All I know is what I would be willing to pay for a Post or JELL-O card, based on the factual and logically interpreted data accumulated over the past 35 years.

OK -- I'll shut up now. You're probably regretting asking the questions! Have fun collecting and acquiring the cards you love. Remember, it's a hobby -- it's supposed to be a diversion from the stresses of life, not place a greater burden on your shoulders.

KEEPMEPOSTED! Dan.

LuckyLuke · #3 08-04-2014, 08:33 PM

Dan...I would like to purchase your book...can you please tell me how to proceed? Thank you.

Also, you mentioned the Whitey Ford error card. Can you tell me how to recognize that error card. In your opinion is this the most rare card of the Canadian set?

As for value...it is quite confusing....But if I use the general consensus out there(Guide)..I see a stat(153 hits) Mantle in very good condition is valued at $250...but this was an out of date publication. Is this anywhere in the ball park? The Whitey Ford error card in contrast would be valued at?

PS...like you stated...keep in mind that price is ultimately determined by what the buyer wants to pay for an item.

Thanks again.

toppcat · #4 08-05-2014, 07:55 AM

Dan:

The only possible connection I can find is from a 1971 OPC Bazooka Hockey box, where the printers initials (JHL or HJL) appear on a flap:

I asked Bobby Binder (Vintage Hockey Collector) about what the initials might stand for but he didn't know and I have not had much time to pursue it since. Since it's a box and Canadian, maybe that is an avenue to pursue. I would think the firm was in the Toronto/London area.

My original blog post on it is here: http://toppsarchives.blogspot.com/se...&max-results=7

hcv123 · #5 08-05-2014, 10:59 AM

Here are links to a couple of complete Canadian Grape nuts boxes that sold. Perhaps if you could get in touch with the winner(s) - you could get a lead on some of the information you are looking for. I was a bidder, but dropped out feeling they got a little rich for my blood - now if there was a Clemente............

http://feb13.hugginsandscott.com/cgi...l?itemid=53722

http://feb13.hugginsandscott.com/cgi...l?itemid=53721

I also have some type of advertisement somewhere that may have some info - I will try to look for it in the next week or so.

Exhibitman · #6 08-05-2014, 12:13 PM

The Canadian versions of the Post cards are by far the best looking of the sets, at least to my eye, and I pick them up when I can. I just picked up a Maris at the National. How can I tell which version I have?

keepmeposted · #7 08-06-2014, 04:36 PM

Gents -- Thank you for the 2 posts pertaining to leads on possible printers. In addition, the color shots of the 2 GN complete boxes are very impressive.

The 3 Maris variations can be differentiated based on the following descriptions. I'm simply cutting and pasting electrons from NORTHERN EXPOSURE, so even if the MSWord text doesn't completely transfer , I hope you will have adequate information to determine which Maris you picked up.

ROGER MARIS � No. 6
3 VARIATIONS

OAT FLAKES � OF
 Border with solid blue lines
 Name in large letters
 Card No. 6 is elevated to left of top picture frame
 English and French letter �j� looks like an �i�
 French text for Home reads �R�sidence�
 French text first line reads �Roger fut en t�te de L.A.
Pour les circuits (61).�, i.e. �P� in pour capitalized
 Photograph depicts gray-blue uniform
 Cardboard stock heavier weight

GRAPE-NUTS FLAKES 12 OUNCE � GNF12
 Border with solid blue lines
 Name in large letters
 Card No. 6 is elevated to left of top picture frame
 English and French letter �j� has tail
 French text for Home reads �R�sidence�
 French text first line reads �Roger fut en t�te de L.A.
pour les circuits (61).�, i.e. �p� in pour small case
 Photograph depicts gray uniform
 Cardboard stock heavier weight

GRAPE-NUTS � GN
 Border with solid blue lines
 Name in large letters
 Card No. 6 is even & to left of top picture frame
 English and French letter �j� has tail
 French text for Home reads ��
 French text first line reads �Roger fut en t�te de L.A.
Pour le circuits (61).�, i.e. �P� in pour capitalized
 Photograph enlarged with blue tint
 Cardboard stock white and thick

keepmeposted · #8 08-18-2014, 05:27 PM

Gents:

For those who may be running out of challenges to pursue, you might enjoy finding and thumbing through the LIFE Magazine CANADIAN issue featuring Liz and Richard. By a show of hands, how many of you knew, and have in your collection, the Maris/Mantle Canadian insert variations? [See image below to identify that this is a trick question, in part.]

KEEPMEPOSTED

ricktopps · #9 09-29-2018, 11:52 PM

Dan,
I am relatively new to collecting 1962 Canadian Post, but am down to about 15 of the very expensive short prints. I recently heard about your well researched book and my understanding is that you have some of these for sale. Do your books just cover 1962 Canadian Post or do you also have books dealing with the other Jello and Post sets from 1961 to 1963. I think I would be interested in purchasing whatever you have, but it was a little unclear to me what your asking price is. If you could forward any information that you have for me and tell me how to get the money to you I would greatly appreciate it.
Rick Johnson

irv · #10 10-01-2018, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricktopps

Dan,
I am relatively new to collecting 1962 Canadian Post, but am down to about 15 of the very expensive short prints. I recently heard about your well researched book and my understanding is that you have some of these for sale. Do your books just cover 1962 Canadian Post or do you also have books dealing with the other Jello and Post sets from 1961 to 1963. I think I would be interested in purchasing whatever you have, but it was a little unclear to me what your asking price is. If you could forward any information that you have for me and tell me how to get the money to you I would greatly appreciate it.
Rick Johnson

What are the 15 very expensive short prints cards?

I have some pics in my Net54 picture link below of some 62 Post cards I own, although I don't think any fall into that category?

skil55voy · #11 10-01-2018, 07:11 PM

Irv,

Based on Dan Mabey's book and my long experience in collecting Post Cereal and Jell-O cards here are what I consider the toughest 62 Canadians:

Joe Amalfitano
Jackie Jensen
Hal Smith
Dick Brown
Sam Jones
Ralph Terry
Chuck Estrada
Larry Sherry
Dick Williams
Curt Simmons

This is in no particular order and is based on what I have seen since the 70's as to the availability of these cards. Some I have never seen. Also the Sandy Koufax with the correct "Walks" in the statistic block is extremely tough. Again, this is just an opinion and is in somewhat agreeing with Dan's books.

Mike

irv · #12 10-02-2018, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skil55voy

Irv,

Based on Dan Mabey's book and my long experience in collecting Post Cereal and Jell-O cards here are what I consider the toughest 62 Canadians:

Joe Amalfitano
Jackie Jensen
Hal Smith
Dick Brown
Sam Jones
Ralph Terry
Chuck Estrada
Larry Sherry
Dick Williams
Curt Simmons

This is in no particular order and is based on what I have seen since the 70's as to the availability of these cards. Some I have never seen. Also the Sandy Koufax with the correct "Walks" in the statistic block is extremely tough. Again, this is just an opinion and is in somewhat agreeing with Dan's books.

Mike

Thanks Mike.

hoot-owl · #13 10-02-2018, 10:32 AM

I am down to needing two cards from this set: Rocky Bridges and Hal Smith. My top ten hardest cards might be slightly different--the last three cards I have obtained were Yogi Berra, Joe Amalfitano and John Romano. I would probably add Tito Francona to my list as well. So--

Rocky Bridges
Hal Smith
Yogi Berra
John Romano
Tito Francona
Dick Williams
Joe Amalfitano
Jackie Jensen
Larry Sherry
Jim Gilliam

Again in no particular order--just highlights the number of really tough cards to track down in this set.

irv · #14 02-27-2024, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skil55voy

Irv,

Based on Dan Mabey's book and my long experience in collecting Post Cereal and Jell-O cards here are what I consider the toughest 62 Canadians:

Joe Amalfitano
Jackie Jensen
Hal Smith
Dick Brown
Sam Jones
Ralph Terry
Chuck Estrada
Larry Sherry
Dick Williams
Curt Simmons

This is in no particular order and is based on what I have seen since the 70's as to the availability of these cards. Some I have never seen. Also the Sandy Koufax with the correct "Walks" in the statistic block is extremely tough. Again, this is just an opinion and is in somewhat agreeing with Dan's books.

Mike

Bumping an old thread here but I believe I found my answer.
Was just searching eBay/GM cards tonight and came across this 1962 Post CDN Jackie Jensen about to end so I thought I'd watch it for just something to do.
Forget the exact price with about a minute or less to go but was shocked/blown away in the dying seconds when I saw this card jump multiple times in value to the very end.
I had completely forgot, despite what Mike had once told me above, about this card.
Watched/saved a few others but I'm pretty sure I missed some, (maybe a lot?) as I was too late.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/315162022681...sAAOSwoNVlz9FD
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/134939935496
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/386783688360
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/386783688342
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/134939935474

irv · #15 02-27-2024, 10:28 PM

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