Vintage Set Group Break Idea! Input Needed!

[mrvster]

but I only collect T206 and OJs!

[bobbyw8469]

How random is the number generator?

[autocentral]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

How random is the number generator?

Random.org has a random list generator. I will broadcast the random live and run the generator 5 times.

Thanks for the question,
Nick

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by autocentral

Random.org has a random list generator. I will broadcast the random live and run the generator 5 times.

Thanks for the question,
Nick

Not trying to poopoo anything, but what is the point of running the random list generator 5 times rather than just once? It's not like shuffling a deck of cards where things only get sorta randomized the first time. Are the extra 4 randomizations just to make the skeptics feel better?

(I'm not trying to be a smart alec here. I just really don't understand the point of randomizing multiple times.)

[autocentral]

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

Not trying to poopoo anything, but what is the point of running the random list generator 5 times rather than just once? It's not like shuffling a deck of cards where things only get sorta randomized the first time. Are the extra 4 randomizations just to make the skeptics feel better?

(I'm not trying to be a smart alec here. I just really don't understand the point of randomizing multiple times.)

The running the random generator is to make skeptics feel better and provide more excitement to the people watching live. I feel one-three randoms are good if you have about 5-10 people in the break, anything past that 5 is usually the best way to avoid anyone complaining or being skeptical.

-Nick

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by autocentral

The running the random generator is to make skeptics feel better and provide more excitement to the people watching live. I feel one-three randoms are good if you have about 5-10 people in the break, anything past that 5 is usually the best way to avoid anyone complaining or being skeptical.

-Nick

Fair enough. Thanks for the explanation and personal experience. Good luck!

[autocentral]

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

Fair enough. Thanks for the explanation and personal experience. Good luck!

Thanks for the support,
Nick

[edhans]

Originally Posted by autocentral

The running the random generator is to make skeptics feel better and provide more excitement to the people watching live. I feel one-three randoms are good if you have about 5-10 people in the break, anything past that 5 is usually the best way to avoid anyone complaining or being skeptical.

-Nick

Maybe you should use your random number generator to generate the number of random number sequences you should generate.

I agree with Jay. there is a clear element of chance here. I wouldn't be prepared to swear that such activity is legal in every state.

[bbcard1]

I doubt law enforcement would get their knickers in a knot unless someone really got ticked off and pushed the issue.

As for me, i'd probably play if it were a set I was even casually interested in and the cost seemed reasonable.

[jhs5120]

Will we split up the exact cost of the set?

Or is there a premium we all are paying to someone?

[autocentral]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Will we split up the exact cost of the set?

Or is there a premium we all are paying to someone?

There is a premium due to the time and effort that goes into putting all this together. Leon & I agreed to split that premium 50/50. We are trying to be as transparent as possible. We are not going to charge ridiculous premium charges but rather something that we think is fair.

Thanks for the question,
Nick

[vintagetoppsguy]

Personally, I like the idea and I would be in for a few spots.

[autocentral]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Personally, I like the idea and I would be in for a few spots.

Thanks for the input and support,
Nick

[Mdmtx]

I would buy a few spots.

[The Nasty Nati]

I'd throw down for a spot or two. I think this is a great idea! I like watching group breaks, but personally I don't care about owning the glitzy new cards of today...however a vintage group break sounds like a lot of fun!

[conor912]

I'm not much of a gambling man, so I'd be out.....though I'd certainly be interested in watching the drawing.

[Econteachert205]

I like the idea, filling that many spaces might be a challenge, what time horizon would sign ups exist in?

[bobbyw8469]

Now, would you actually show the cards and who got what one at a time, or would you email everyone the list and jsut let them see the number and player they got?

[JollyElm]

This is definitely a cool idea. Can you give an estimate of what a slot would cost? That would certainly help a lot of people decide if they would be in or out.

[ocjack]

If I'm the only one to have this question, please feel free to delete this post.

But can someone explain what is going on? I've never heard of group breaks.

Thanks.

[ZachS]

Originally Posted by ocjack

If I'm the only one to have this question, please feel free to delete this post.

But can someone explain what is going on? I've never heard of group breaks.

Thanks.

Using the example of the 1955 Topps set there are 206 cards total in the set... that means 206 slots available for sale.

There is a set price per slot and you can buy multiple slots.

Let's say you buy 5 slots at $25 per slot ($125 total). Your name will be put in the group 5 times (once per slot).

All names go into a randomizer... that's a program that will randomly put each name next to a number (in this case 1-206)

You will end up with 5 numbers between 1 and 206 selected w/ the randomizer program.

For example the randomizer puts your name next to numbers 11, 32, 47, 138, 198 in which case you'd get Fain, McGhee, Aaron, Hebert, and Berra.

That means you would end up with those card numbers from the set.

You could end up with 4 commons and a HOFer and make out pretty well or you could end spending $125 for 5 commons... it's all a gamble.

That's about as far as I can break it down without drawing pictures. Hopefully it makes sense.

[autocentral]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

This is definitely a cool idea. Can you give an estimate of what a slot would cost? That would certainly help a lot of people decide if they would be in or out.

At this time I cannot estimate an exact price on exactly what each break slot would cost. That will be decided sometime in the near future when we obtain the set. Most of these breaks will have a lot of spots so no need to worry about figuring out if you can join now. You will definitely have time to decide once the break if officially posted.

-Nick

[autocentral]

I'd like to everyone who posted on this thread. Thank you for all the support and questions. I've tried to answer all the questions and I'm very gracious to those who took the time to answer some for me.


-Nick

[autocentral]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Now, would you actually show the cards and who got what one at a time, or would you email everyone the list and jsut let them see the number and player they got?

I would slowly scroll down the list so you can see your name on the random as well as make the video public on my ustream so you can watch it over if you wish. Also, Random.org has the time the random took place so you can use that as a reference as well.

-Nick

[autocentral]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

I like the idea, filling that many spaces might be a challenge, what time horizon would sign ups exist in?

Unsure of the time horizon but sometimes members take multiple spots so it fills it up much quicker. 206 is a lot of spots but with these Topps sets usually the more cards equals the lower the spot price will be. Pre-war set prices since some have few cards spot price is quite high. For now this is a brainstorm, concern, question thread. Just trying to poll everyone see how they feel. I know we have a lot of pre-war collectors so Im trying to weigh every possible option available to us.

-Nick

[Jobu]

I have not heard of this before but think it is a cool idea.

[ZenPop]

I'd love to be part of it... I could only afford 1 or 2 slots, but it sounds like an awesome idea!

Cheers!

[toledo_mudhen]

I'd be in for a spot or 2 - always interested in Pre-War Cards (Vietnam)

[Leon]

Hey guys
Nick approached me with this idea and it sounded like it could be something to keep our forum current and energized. I don't think anything is set in stone yet so any suggestions and/or feedback is appreciated. The '55 set seemed good because of it's size and star amount but i am also open to thinking about other sets, maybe pre-war? Or maybe the first one is the '55 and we see how it goes. I am not sure we can fill over 200 slots. Keep the feedback coming and thanks to Nick for offering to handle it. Believe me guys, this is all Greek to me too!!

[oldjudge]

Nick--What's in this for you?

[autocentral]

Originally Posted by Leon

Hey guys
Nick approached me with this idea and it sounded like it could be something to keep our forum current and energized. I don't think anything is set in stone yet so any suggestions and/or feedback is appreciated. The '55 set seemed good because of it's size and star amount but i am also open to thinking about other sets, maybe pre-war? Or maybe the first one is the '55 and we see how it goes. I am not sure we can fill over 200 slots. Keep the feedback coming and thanks to Nick for offering to handle it. Believe me guys, this is all Greek to me too!!

As Leon stated keep those suggestions and feedback coming. We really appreciate and want to run something you guys will enjoy.

-Nick

[t206trader]

Where will this set come from? Are you acquiring a large swath and purchasing other cards individually? I think the concern oldjudge is making is that without seeing what your cost is we really wouldn't have any idea whether some of us would be in or not. What if we aren't able to acquire a Clemente at a reasonable cost? Do we buy one outside of our price just to do it or do we wait? The reason group box breaks work so well is because it's easy to acquire the product at a set price. There's really no guessing to it. I'm concerned that there are too many variables beyond our control for this to work unless you find someone selling an entire set.

[wolf441]

Originally Posted by t206trader

Where will this set come from? Are you acquiring a large swath and purchasing other cards individually? I think the concern oldjudge is making is that without seeing what your cost is we really wouldn't have any idea whether some of us would be in or not. What if we aren't able to acquire a Clemente at a reasonable cost? Do we buy one outside of our price just to do it or do we wait? The reason group box breaks work so well is because it's easy to acquire the product at a set price. There's really no guessing to it. I'm concerned that there are too many variables beyond our control for this to work unless you find someone selling an entire set.

You find someone selling an entire set. For 1955 Topps, that shouldn't be too hard.

[t206trader]

Originally Posted by wolf441

You find someone selling an entire set. For 1955 Topps, that shouldn't be too hard.

Right, but to meet our budget and all the aforementioned things could be tricky. Point is it's not as easy as it sounds.

[autocentral]

Originally Posted by t206trader

Right, but to meet our budget and all the aforementioned things could be tricky. Point is it's not as easy as it sounds.

We are definitely finding someone with a complete 1955 Topps Set. Finding a set with our budget and standards should not be too hard to find.

Thanks for the comment,
-Nick

[t206trader]

I might be in for a spot depending on the final price point. I would be very interested in participating in a smaller prewar set also.

[autocentral]

Originally Posted by mrvster

but I only collect T206 and OJs!

We may do a pre-war set/partial set later but this first break is a test run to see interest levels and what people would be interested in doing.

Thanks for the input,
Nick