T206 Titus and Bliss *cancelled*

[bbcard1]

This is not a raw card that the seller inherited from his great grandfather, and I'm not sure it would matter if it was. It is something the he had bought and got tired of and decided to sell. He should have some idea of what he paid for it and was happy with the price he was selling if for...His email to me was "You've got it." I am quite comfortable with the ethics of paying a person who comes on a Buy Sell Trade board and makes the conscious decision to sell his cards with or without research his full asking price. If this person is mentally disabled or senile, I would feel differently.

When I owned a store or was a dealer, I felt obligated to pay people who brought their cards into my shop a fair market, which at that time, believe it or not, was 50% or more. If I walk into a show or a shop and someone has something priced cheaply I feel no remorse in buying it and I doubt anyone else would so long as it is not mis-priced. I see this board pretty much as if it were a show and the people who post have made a conscious decision to be dealers.

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

...His email to me was "You've got it."

woops, was writing my post as you posted ... that answers my question then

[team-of-rivals]

How difficult is it to check sold listings on eBay? No matter the side you stand on in this situation, it all comes down to the integrity of the seller. It wasn't a matter of mistyping the price, it was a lack of simple common sense and thirty seconds of research.
Many of you are moaning about this being an educational forum, yadda, yadda.....I agree. What better education/lesson learned than an 'ass-kicking' on a sale....?

[pgellis]

Come on, this is not like grandma coming on here with a box full of her late husband's cards that included Wagner, Plank, Doyle, etc. and sold them to the first person who offered her $100.

This is a person who by his own introductory post the other day said,

"Got my first tobacco card at 12, next at 16, a few more at 20, and been on the hunt pretty actively since I turned 24 (I'm 27 now...dad is still at it, going to be 91 in December)."

So he knows enough about tobacco cards that he isn't a total newbie. He could look on eBay or CardTarget for current pricing, but he didn't. I'm sure he didn't "lose" money on the deal, meaning, I'm sure he sold it for as much or more than he originally paid for it.

Obviously, he was unaware of the Titus phenomenon....., but he did agree to the sale. Integrity is something that is hard to earn back. If I made the same mistake, I would honor the deal. It may be worth more than a couple hundred bucks.

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by pgellis

Come on, this is not like grandma coming on here with a box full of her late husband's cards that included Wagner, Plank, Doyle, etc. and sold them to the first person who offered her $100.

This is a person who by his own introductory post the other day said,

"Got my first tobacco card at 12, next at 16, a few more at 20, and been on the hunt pretty actively since I turned 24 (I'm 27 now...dad is still at it, going to be 91 in December)."

So he knows enough about tobacco cards that he isn't a total newbie. He could look on eBay or CardTarget for current pricing, but he didn't. I'm sure he didn't "lose" money on the deal, meaning, I'm sure he sold it for as much or more than he originally paid for it.

Obviously, he was unaware of the Titus phenomenon....., but he did agree to the sale. Integrity is something that is hard to earn back. If I made the same mistake, I would honor the deal. It may be worth more than a couple hundred bucks.

This post tells a lot more than people are realizing. I find it amazing so many people are on his side and it just makes me think people are mad they didn't see it first.

It's a regular board member that got the deal, so what most people are saying is it's okay to break a BST rule to help out someone, who is going to end up making a lot more money off the card, as opposed to a regular board member being the one that gets it. Either way, someone is getting screwed and it seems to be the long-time board member.

This person said they have been reading for a month, collecting much longer, so they aren't a rookie, they are just new to the board. They obviously got a great deal from someone else, yet no one is calling for them to give that person half the money. I said it, but it was as a joke to show how ridiculous this is.

People are also okay with this "rookie" backing out on his first deal on the board and letting him keep selling? Seriously? How is that for the betterment of the board?

This thread is really a bunch of people mad they didn't see the card first and they aren't thinking out what really happened, which is a long-time member getting screwed by other board members and a new person getting away easy with breaking a rule. That's besides all the other people who broke rules by getting involved.

I seriously can't believe how many people are on his side in this.

[Louieman]

Alright, I need to respond to the last post. First off, I feel like total s#!t that this happened. And I apologized personally to the first buyer. This was my mistake, I admit it. But I am not some seasoned vet trying to escape punishment. This is literally the first card I've ever attempt to sell in my life. ever! I've been casually collecting since I was 12, in the sense that I've picked up a card here or there over the years. I have a total of 16 cards in my entire collection.

I truly truly didn't know about the Titus hype, and so I messed up. And like I said, I'll take my punishment and not sell on this board. Ban for me months if you want. After all this, I most definitely don't wanna be involved in this kind of thing. And I'm not secretly selling this card behind people's backs. I'll sell it on my own, independent of this forum...

I messed up, and I'm sorry. And I'm very sorry to the first buyer. I sure as heck don't wanna get involved in this kind of thing for at least the near future after all of the drama that came with it

[Leon]

So I just read the 52 posts in this thread. Tough call. Good points on all sides. There is a lot of precedence though. I have always said (and you guys know it) if someone backs out of "a" deal and no one is out any money then we chalk it up as a mistake. The seller isn't getting banishment or anything from me. However, when I make a mistake I try to make it right. If I were him I would at least consider selling it at half of market price if Todd would want it at that? That way damages are mitigated on both sides. Otherwise, the rules are in place. Now if someone repeatedly makes mistakes or scams or stuff like that, then they will be out of here.

[pgellis]

I'm sorry, but a mistake is when you type in $40.00 when you meant to type in $400.00 or when you show the incorrect photo of a card with a listing. This was not a mistake, but rather the seller's "unawareness" of the current market for T206 Titus cards. To me, that's "too bad".

What if he was selling a Jack Knight card with a Lenox back for $ 40.00 and made a "mistake" by not describing the back? Then he agrees to a sale and someone else says, "can I get a scan of the back?" Wait, what? You made a mistake, that card is worth $ 400.00. You should cancel the sale.

I feel people are giving him a break because he is new to the site and is only 27 years old. That's old enough to do 3 minutes of research on the current market for the cards you want to sell.

This was not a simple mistake. If nobody butted in and notified him of the Titus market, he would have been happy with the sale. He agreed to the sale.....not a mistake. That doesn't say much for any integrity here. But that is probably fine since he's going to sell the card for big bucks.

Does anyone else get the sense that the card is already sold? I'm sure it's already "in the mail".

[JohnP0621]

I hope that this seller has the same Morals and Contacts the Seller that he bought it from and shares the Profits once he sells the card.I am sure that he bought the card for Less or as much as he was going to sell it for. I dont think that he was going to Loose Money on the Sale.

John P

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by JohnP0621

I hope that this seller has the same Morals and Contacts the Seller that he bought it from and shares the Profits once he sells the card.I am sure that he bought the card for Less or as much as he was going to sell it for. I dont think that he was going to Loose Money on the Sale.

John P

Exactly, good point. No one is going to randomly dump cards for less than they paid unless they didn't sell for awhile. I'd like to hear how much the person he bought the cards from is going to receive from the eventual sale...