T206's - A Once In A Lifetime [Scan Heavy]

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Leon

No need to put words in his mouth John. He never said he is a collector, he said they aren't for sale. Maybe they are sold or he will sell later? He and I had a few talks before he bought them and I told him just about everything that has been said (in other words) in this thread, before he acquired them. But this forum is about pre-war cards and those certainly fit the bill and seeing them is still cool.

Excuse me have I been out of line in this thread Leon? Exactly what was wrong with my response? I would very much like to know.

Also in the future I wont give folks heads up about questionable cards nor should others. We will all just assume you've had offline discussions and have it all under control. How silly of me...

Perhaps I should toss you some cash each month then you would be quick to defend me if I get my feelings hurt.

John

[Leon]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Excuse me have I been out of line in this thread Leon? Exactly what was wrong with my response? I would very much like to know.

Also in the future I wont give folks heads up about questionable cards nor should others. We will all just assume you've had offline discussions and have it all under control. How silly of me...

Perhaps I should toss you some cash each month then you would be quick to defend me if I get my feelings hurt.

John

I merely said you were putting words in his mouth, which you did. I didn't say you were out of line. You said that.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Leon

I merely said you were putting words in his mouth, which you did. I didn't say you were out of line. You said that.

No but you somehow felt the need to hop in on something as innocent as saying "oh not for sale must be from your collection have a good one". Sure seemed like mama bird coming to the rescue to me for some reason. Which BTW you don't need to do the guy has his army of armed guards Leon I think he can handle little old me.

I agree in the future I will watch how I toss around the "C" word.

Next time I'll say something along these lines...

"Thank you Sean for showing your current or past inventory that is or isn't ready for distribution at this time. I would take sometime to perhaps warn you as dealer before you sell cards that may be questionable but understand that would be a waste of everyone's time because I'm sure you and Leon have handled this offline already."

Slow day Leon?

Cheers,

John

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Excuse me have I been out of line in this thread Leon? Exactly what was wrong with my response? I would very much like to know.

Also in the future I wont give folks heads up about questionable cards nor should others. We will all just assume you've had offline discussions and have it all under control. How silly of me...

Perhaps I should toss you some cash each month then you would be quick to defend me if I get my feelings hurt.

John

From my point of view, Leon was just pointing out that Sean never said he was a collector. Reading his website I would find it hard to believe that Sean is a collector:

Originally Posted by baseballcardsingles.com/buying

As an investor it’s also important to remember why one is buying cards. The investment and profit always has to be the goal. Get too strung up with a particular card out of personal want and attachment, and the point of investment disappears. Then a person goes from being disconnected and focused on profit, to being connected and focused on collecting for personal satisfaction. The latter can easily turn a profit into a loss with the illusory justification that the card will still be worth a lot when it is let go. Good investors don’t have those conversations with themselves; they buy and sell vintage baseball cards coldly and dispassionately.

Nothing wrong with Sean, but he makes it clear to me that baseball cards are only an investment to him. Nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn't consider him a collector any more than a stock broker is a collector of stocks.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

From my point of view, Leon was just pointing out that Sean never said he was a collector. Reading his website I would find it hard to believe that Sean is a collector:

Originally Posted by baseballcardsingles.com/buying
"As an investor it’s also important to remember why one is buying cards. The investment and profit always has to be the goal. Get too strung up with a particular card out of personal want and attachment, and the point of investment disappears. Then a person goes from being disconnected and focused on profit, to being connected and focused on collecting for personal satisfaction. The latter can easily turn a profit into a loss with the illusory justification that the card will still be worth a lot when it is let go. Good investors don’t have those conversations with themselves; they buy and sell vintage baseball cards coldly and dispassionately."

Nothing wrong with Sean, but he makes it clear to me that baseball cards are only an investment to him. Nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn't consider him a collector any more than a stock broker is a collector of stocks.

I've read that (from Sean) before, and I find it kind of an odd statement. When you choose to invest in baseball cards, especially when it's spread out over quite a few of them, there has to be somewhat of a passion for the hobby. Perhaps he isn't a collector in terms of building permanent collections, but he's at least a 'temporary' collector. Without the passion, you don't acquire enough knowledge to make the investments work. Just my thoughts - I'm sure there are many here who think they can do what Sean describes, without any passion for the hobby. But I think they are fooling themselves.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I've read that (from Sean) before, and I find it kind of an odd statement. When you choose to invest in baseball cards, especially when it's spread out over quite a few of them, there has to be somewhat of a passion for the hobby. Perhaps he isn't a collector in terms of building permanent collections, but he's at least a 'temporary' collector. Without the passion, you don't acquire enough knowledge to make the investments work. Just my thoughts - I'm sure there are many here who think they can do what Sean describes, without any passion for the hobby. But I think they are fooling themselves.

I do not watch sports. I have no interest in sports or their history. I can go so far to say as the Fergie Jenkins game I have a thread open for (BTW 7 free slots still available - COMPLETELY free, drop me a line if you want to attend) will be the first game I ever go to. I really couldn't care less to be honest. I hope you appreciate the candor.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

I do not watch sports. I have no interest in sports or their history. I can go so far to say as the Fergie Jenkins game I have a thread open for (BTW 7 free slots still available - COMPLETELY free, drop me a line if you want to attend) will be the first game I ever go to. I really couldn't care less to be honest. I hope you appreciate the candor.

Yet you bought this extremely esoteric collection of T206's, call it 'Once in a Lifetime' and they are not for sale.

Sure.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

I do not watch sports. I have no interest in sports or their history. I can go so far to say as the Fergie Jenkins game I have a thread open for (BTW 7 free slots still available - COMPLETELY free, drop me a line if you want to attend) will be the first game I ever go to. I really couldn't care less to be honest. I hope you appreciate the candor.

I don't know how you could pick vintage baseball cards to make your living and not have any appreciation for baseball history. I don't believe I've ever met anyone in this hobby who thinks like that.

And not sure what you're talking about in regards to Fergie Jenkins, but I am heading up to Canada for the American Association All Star game in a couple of weeks (I actually love baseball that much) and will be having lunch with Mr Jenkins.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I don't know how you could pick vintage baseball cards to make your living and not have any appreciation for baseball history. I don't believe I've ever met anyone in this hobby who thinks like that.

And not sure what you're talking about in regards to Fergie Jenkins, but I am heading up to Canada for the American Association All Star game in a couple of weeks (I actually love baseball that much) and will be having lunch with Mr Jenkins.

I have a box suite at Wrigley /w Fergie and have a standing offer for 7 more people to come free of charge (dinner and desert included) [Aug 11th]

[gregr2]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

I have a box suite at Wrigley /w Fergie and have a standing offer for 7 more people to come free of charge (dinner and desert included) [Aug 11th]

That's a nice offer Sean, makes me wish I lived up that way.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I don't know how you could pick vintage baseball cards to make your living and not have any appreciation for baseball history. I don't believe I've ever met anyone in this hobby who thinks like that.

Agreed. There's something Sean isn't telling us, but that's his business. I believe him when he says he has no passion or interest for sports, but I completely disagree with the statement that was quoted earlier. The passions helps, not hinders. The exception would be if you have self-control problems and use your capital to buy personal items, but that is true of anything in life for people with such problems. Granted, such a person, if they could not get a grip on their problems, should probably find a different business - one that doesn't involve handling money.

Also, most of the time alcoholics make bad bartenders.

[Jaybird]

If you have no love for the hobby then this post is purely a marketing move whether these particular cards are for sale or not.

From my point of view, this forum is best when it is collectors talking to each other about their passion. Business is fine but on the main page?

Edited to add: the sportscard show below has yet to make a profit so please don't fire back at me for advertising it. If I wanted to make money, I certainly wouldn't be doing a card show!

[veleno45]

In reading the statement from Sean's site I think it is rather genius. You have to realize the site is for buying, not selling. We can all find buyers for our vintage cards, what we can't find is sellers who will sell fresh, unknown finds in bulk at wholesale prices. By separating emotional value and investment value he helps his seller be a seller. Rather than saying your gramps left you a lifetime of baseball passion he is saying your gramps left you XX dollars, would you like it now? As most of us on here are passionate and collectors we look at the words and are almost offended. From a business point of view the words soften the emotional blow by taking the passion our of it.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

Originally Posted by baseballcardsingles.com/buying
As an investor it’s also important to remember why one is buying cards. The investment and profit always has to be the goal. Get too strung up with a particular card out of personal want and attachment, and the point of investment disappears. Then a person goes from being disconnected and focused on profit, to being connected and focused on collecting for personal satisfaction. The latter can easily turn a profit into a loss with the illusory justification that the card will still be worth a lot when it is let go. Good investors don’t have those conversations with themselves; they buy and sell vintage baseball cards coldly and dispassionately.

This made me die a little inside.

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

This made me die a little inside.

+1 on so many levels!

A little less candor probably would have been a better business move, not sure many that have a passion for the hobby would rather do business with someone that literally has no interest in the hobby but to make money than someone that has at least a passing interest in the thing that we choose to do in our spare time. To each there own I suppose!

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

+1 on so many levels!

A little less candor probably would have been a better business move, not sure many that have a passion for the hobby would rather do business with someone that literally has no interest in the hobby but to make money than someone that has at least a passing interest in the thing that we choose to do in our spare time. To each there own I suppose!

I would think it smart to go with the broker who is willing to purchase or middleman a deal on 10% margins than the guy with a passion who needs to make 50% or double up.

To each their own, I suppose.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

From my point of view, Leon was just pointing out that Sean never said he was a collector. Reading his website I would find it hard to believe that Sean is a collector:


Nothing wrong with Sean, but he makes it clear to me that baseball cards are only an investment to him. Nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn't consider him a collector any more than a stock broker is a collector of stocks.

I have stated and will state again - I do not populate the content of my website. I have a guy that hits on keywords and there are many things I don't agree with, but google rankings come before grammar and proper conversation.

That is besides the point, you hit the nail on the head with your analogy - it is perfect.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

I have stated and will state again - I do not populate the content of my website. I have a guy that hits on keywords and there are many things I don't agree with, but google rankings come before grammar and proper conversation.

That is besides the point, you hit the nail on the head with your analogy - it is perfect.

How on earth would that description of investing help Google rankings? Maybe a lot of people do a search for "baseball cards illusory justification"?