Is Derek Jeter's autograph worth $1,000?

[Nyygameused]

Originally Posted by mcgwirecom

No disrespect to Jeter, but if he played in Minnesota he'd be Paul Molitor....

While I never saw paul monitor play, jeter always amazed me. 3000th hr, final all star game 2-2, "the dive" vs the redsocks, "the flip" vs the a's. Oh yeah and mr. November, no disrespect to anyone who hasn't seen jeter play everyday over the past 20 years. But these are highlights you all have seen, us fortunate enough to see him play on a near everyday basis know mr. Jeter is and never will be "overrated."

[shelly]

Originally Posted by Nyygameused

While I never saw paul monitor play, jeter always amazed me. 3000th hr, final all star game 2-2, "the dive" vs the redsocks, "the flip" vs the a's. Oh yeah and mr. November, no disrespect to anyone who hasn't seen jeter play everyday over the past 20 years. But these are highlights you all have seen, us fortunate enough to see him play on a near everyday basis know mr. Jeter is and never will be "overrated."

Cal Ripken $1000? Mickey $1000 Ted Willaims$1000 Wille Mays $1000 Hank AAron $1000 Tony Gwynn $1000 Dimaggio $1000 and lets not for the man with ten rings. Yogi $1000
Ripken hit a hr in his last all star game. Willams hit a hr last time at bat. He played won five rings in twenty years much less than most of the famous Yankee players

1. Yogi Berra 1946-1965 10 Yankees: 1947, 1949-1953, 1956, 1958, 1961, 1962
2. Joe DiMaggio 1936-1951 9 Yankees: 1936-1939, 1941, 1947, 1949-1951
3. Bill Dickey 1928-1946 8 Yankees: 1928, 1932, 1936-1939, 1941, 1943
3. Phil Rizzuto 1941-1956 8 Yankees: 1941, 1947, 1949-1953, 1956
3. Frankie Crosetti 1932-1948 8 Yankees: 1932, 1936-1939, 1941, 1943, 1947
3. Lou Gehrig 1923-1939 8 Yankees: 1923, 1927, 1928, 1932, 1936-1939
7. Hank Bauer 1948-1961 7 Yankees: 1949-1953, 1956, 1958
7. Mickey Mantle 1951-1968 7 Yankees: 1951-1953, 1956, 1958, 1961, 1962
7. Babe Ruth 1914-1935 7 Red Sox: 1915, 1916, 1918; Yankees: 1923, 1927, 1928, 1932
7. Johnny Murphy 1932-1947 7 Yankees: 1932, 1936-1939, 1941, 1943
7. Tommy Henrich 1937-1950 7 Yankees: 1937-1939, 1941, 1947, 1949, 1950
7. Herb Pennock 1912-1934 7 Philadelphia A’s: 1913; Red Sox: 1915, 1916; Yankees: 1923, 1927, 1928, 1932
13. Whitey Ford 1950-1967 6 Yankees: 1950, 1953, 1956, 1958, 1961, 1962
13. Vic Raschi 1946-1955 6 Yankees: 1947, 1949-1953
13. Allie Reynolds 1942-1954 6 Yankees: 1947, 1949-1953
13. Red Ruffing 1924-1947 6 Yankees: 1932, 1936-1939, 1941
13. Joe Collins 1948-1957 6 Yankees: 1949-1953, 1956
13. Lefty Gomez 1930-1943 6 Yankees: 1932, 1936-1939, 1941
13. Jerry Coleman 1949-1957 6 Yankees: 1949-1953, 1956
13. Eddie Collins 1906-1930 6 Philadelphia A’s: 1910, 1911, 1913, 1929, 1930; White Sox: 1917
13. Spud Chandler 1937-1947 6 Y
I am not say in was not a great player but.
Jetter $1000

[Nyygameused]

You do realize none of these players have played for almost 50 years? Jeter is a modern yankee legend. Not Many others except mo

[shelly]

Originally Posted by Nyygameused

You do realize none of these players have played for almost 50 years? Jeter is a modern yankee legend. Not Many others except mo

Really, only Jetter in the last fifty years. He is the greatest baseball player in the history of baseball in the last fifty years. I will even give you the last thrity years. He is the greates player to ever play in the last thrity years. Are you only talking Yankees.

Then Yankee fans can say something. If it comes down to great players in the last 30 years I would put him in the bottom if that.

[Nyygameused]

Originally Posted by shelly

Really, only Jetter in the last fifty years. He is the greatest baseball player in the history of baseball in the last fifty years. I will even give you the last thrity years. He is the greates player to ever play in the last thrity years.

Greatest yankee friend, huge difference in our collectibles world.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by Nyygameused

Greatest yankee friend, huge difference in our collectibles world.

I must not understand you. You are telling me that a Yankee fan things that Jetter is better than Mantle? I understand he is a today Yankee. He is not yet in the Hall and he will be signing for rest of his life and your saying he is worth more than Mantle. If that is true it is really sad. That is why there are so many forged items.
No one in there right mind can afford him.
The difference from Gwynn and Jetter is Tony would sign for anyone anywhere not true with Jetter. He also is very famous for his gift baskets.
By the way. Who is going to be the next great Yankee when Jetter leaves. Is there going to be a next great Yankee.?

[Nyygameused]

Shelly, I'm saying he is the greatest yankee since........ You can name anyone, he picked up where legends left off. He's a legend at this point, legends command premiums. Granted jeters is way too high but people pay it so what can we do.

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by Nyygameused

While I never saw paul monitor play, jeter always amazed me. 3000th hr, final all star game 2-2, "the dive" vs the redsocks, "the flip" vs the a's. Oh yeah and mr. November, no disrespect to anyone who hasn't seen jeter play everyday over the past 20 years. But these are highlights you all have seen, us fortunate enough to see him play on a near everyday basis know mr. Jeter is and never will be "overrated."

I didn't post the above to have this turn into a debate between those who think Jeter is the greatest thing since sliced bread and those who don't. Jeter is/was a great player. There are many great players. The thing that is unfortunate is that depending where you are and who you get to see play routinely, it is very easy to have a higher opinion of those you saw vs those you didn't.
I look at a guy like Tony Gwynn, RIP. He played in SD his whole career and got virtually no media exposure. I am sure that many of younger Yankee fans would immediately say that Jeter was better, but when you look at the numbers, they are a pretty close comparison. Gwynn is ahead of Jeter in many categories, including BA, SLG% (despite hitting 100 less HR), OPS, OPS+, AS game appearances, MVPs won, Sliver Slugger awards, and has struck out only 430 times to Jeter's 1800, among others. Jeter is ahead of Gywnn in hits, runs, HR, RBI, walks, TB, and WS championships, among others. The biggest difference is that Jeter had a much better team surrounding him, that helped him play in the post season waaay more than Gwynn. Jeter played in 158 post season games to Gwynn's 27. Jeter batted 321 lifetime in the WS. Gwynn batted 371 lifetime in the WS. Additionally, both were considered really nice guys, who were fan friendly, for the most part. Neither had any scandals or misbehaving.
Is it really fair to say one is definitely better than the other? I think you could make a pretty good case for either. I am also sure that there are other players that, if you looked, you would find similar comparisons.

[Nyygameused]

Mark, Gwynn to me hands down better hitter. Intangibles, and or all around play goes to jeter. We're splitting hairs here, bottom line I think we all feel Steiner charges way too much for his auto.

[Lordstan]

Carmelo,
Yes, we are splitting hairs, but isn't this discussion part of the fun of it all?

Your quote...
"Gwynn to me hands down better hitter. Intangibles, and or all around play goes to jeter."

Your stated opinion on this is exactly the reason why many, non NY centric fans think Jeter is over-rated. Given that you didn't see much of Molitor, it stands to reason that you saw even less of Gwynn. He played only 3yrs later than Molitor and in the opposite league from the Yanks. Despite that, you have been able to form the opinion that Jeter was a better all around player and had better intangibles! How? How do you judge intangibles? If you can't measure them in statistics then, I guess, you really need to see them play day in day out to judge how they play the game and how important they are to their team. So the only way someone could form your stated opinion is if they are biased and are overestimating one player's value because they are his fans.

Here are a few more non batting stat comparisons.
Gwynn won an MVP. Jeter never did. Jeter has 40 more SB. Both won 4 GG. Gwynn has a slightly higher fielding %(20th lifetime for RF), but Jeter (29th lifetime for SS) played a harder position. Jeter's WAR 72.1. Gwynn's 68.8. That means over a 20yr period Jeter accounted for 3 more wins. Not much of a difference really.

I'm not trying to prove Gwynn was better, as I think they are pretty much on even ground. I'm saying that only a Yankee fan would think that Jeter was definitely better than Gwynn, and a whole bunch of other guys from this same era. I think Jeter is a great player, but I don't think he is more special than a whole lot of players during the past 30yrs.

Also, regardless of the above, I think we all agree $1000 for his auto is crazy.

[Nyygameused]

I think people say jeter is overrated because they fail to see anything other than the ny on his chest. Trust me coming from someone who has lived in nyc his whole life (manhattan) and has seen many parts of this world, yes nyc is overrated. However, I just have to say if anyone has never gotten the chance to attend a yankees game and see what #2 truly means to us, please go within the next two or so months. Two things you have probably never seen and will never hear again will happen, Bob Sheppards "now batting for the yankees.... #2 derek jeter.... #2." As well as the final single digit yankee number ever announced for an active player. Players can become legends anywhere, but in nyc legends stand tall.

[Lordstan]

I grew up. lived a large part of my life there including going to college in NYC. I root for all NY sports teams. My father was born and raised there as well. I understand NYC very well.

I don't think Jeter is over-rated because I dislike the Yankees. I think, because he has had the advantage of being a Yankee, he is thought of more highly than he would've been had he played for virtually any other team. To me, he wasn't even the best, or most valuable, player on his team. IMHO, Rivera was both the best player on the team and the greatest ever at his position. This is coming from a non Yankee fan.
Jeter has lived a charmed life since coming to the Yanks. Evey time they won, he got the lion's share of the credit, but every time they lost it was always someone else's fault. In the 2004 ALCS, Arod batted 258 with 2 HR, 5 RBI, and SLG% of 895. Jeter hit 200 with o HR, 5 RBIs, and SLG% of 567. Despite that, somehow it was all Arod's fault that they lost to Boston. No one said anything about Jeter's performance. MR November? OK he had 2 excellent WS and 2 fantastic WS performances. How about batting 250 in 1996 WS and 148 in 2001 WS? Hmmm. People seem to forget these things when it comes to Jeter.
Of course Yankee fans love him. If he were on my team, I would love him too, but I judge performance on performance, not how much I love the guy. In NYC, Legends stand tall because it is the media capital of the world, not because they are better players than those in other towns.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by Nyygameused

I think people say jeter is overrated because they fail to see anything other than the ny on his chest. Trust me coming from someone who has lived in nyc his whole life (manhattan) and has seen many parts of this world, yes nyc is overrated. However, I just have to say if anyone has never gotten the chance to attend a yankees game and see what #2 truly means to us, please go within the next two or so months. Two things you have probably never seen and will never hear again will happen, Bob Sheppards "now batting for the yankees.... #2 derek jeter.... #2." As well as the final single digit yankee number ever announced for an active player. Players can become legends anywhere, but in nyc legends stand tall.

That is because there are 8 players that had there numbers retired two of them with the same number. Torre is number six his will be retired. Wow the last of the single digits. They retired Billy Martins number 1 that is a real legend.

[mschwade]

One of my favorite modern pieces in my collection is this vintage Derek Jeter index card signed during 1993 Spring Training.