Is "modern" still "modern"?

[nolemmings]

Wow. Thanks for the thread link Al.

Originally Posted by JollyElm

The only 'proof' I have ever seen that 1973 was released all at once is the last series wax packs from that year that advertised that the cards came from all series. But that was only the last series packs. Every other series had been released the normal way throughout the spring and summer, then Topps but some of the lower series cards in the high series packs. This is a very far cry from the ridiculous claim that Topps released the full set from the beginning of the year. There is absolutely no proof that that was the case. And Topps themselves has always said that 1974 was the first year they issued the entire set all at once. So I believe them.

Yet this same guy comes on here constantly saying how he got all the Topps cards from day 1 in 1973. He is either mistaken or purposely BSing everybody.

Part of the fallout of being bombastic is you look like a tool when you're shown to be wrong (I've been there). Al cited a thread, widely read and with several contributors, showing that many here recall receiving the cards all at once, and including an old hobby mag article in which a Topps exec comments on how it was the intent to distribute in this manner to the majority of the country. I cannot believe you did not read that; however,even before that in the thread where you first called my "claims" ridiculous and absolutely without proof, the following two collectors chimed in:

Originally Posted by spec

Todd is right on the money. I ended 16 years of collecting out of packs when Topps did not issue the 1973 set in series -- at least in the Boston/Brookline, Mass. area. Since 1959 I had purchased a box each time a series came out, discovering even at the age of 12 that that was the most efficient way to get all the cards in a series, at least when you lived in a rural area as I did until 1967. That strategy did not work when all 660 cards were distributed at once, so I just bought the entire set from a dealer.
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Originally Posted by onlyvintage62

It has been verified (even by Topps), that parts of the country had all the cards released at once. It was a marketing test to see how it would impact sales.

The reason being is that they were losing money by printing cards in series, as demand fell off by the 6th and 7th series.

I know that the entire states of California and Florida - at least- had the card released in one shot.

So put it to bed--you were and are wrong.

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Wow. Thanks for the thread link Al.



Part of the fallout of being bombastic is you look like a tool when you're shown to be wrong (I've been there). Al cited a thread, widely read and with several contributors, showing that many here recall receiving the cards all at once, and including an old hobby mag article in which a Topps exec comments on how it was the intent to distribute in this manner to the majority of the country. I cannot believe you did not read that; however,even before that in the thread where you first called my "claims" ridiculous and absolutely without proof, the following two collectors chimed in:






So put it to bed--you were and are wrong.

Hahahaha!! Are you speaking to me or yourself??? You only offer anecdotal evidence of people saying they got the cards all at once when the only proof Topps issued cards 'all at once' is the last series pack that I mentioned before. Yet you continually try to prove everyone in the world is wrong except you. Go away.

[nolemmings]

The more you post the worse you look on the subject. A Topps exec quoted in a 1973 hobby mag and first-hand accounts from a half-dozen or so people here and yet you say that I am the only one claiming they were released at once against "everyone in the world". There's no fixin stupid.


EDITED TO ADD: BTW, what do you say to spec and onlyvintage62-- they're mistaken or BSing everyone? And the half-dozen or so people who say they received the 1973 cards all at once, from various places coast to coast-- mistaken or frauds? And Bill Haber's comment from Topps in Howie's post-- anecdotal hog wash or misleading tripe?

[toppcat]

1973 Topps Rak Pak with numbers 430, 490 and 622 showing:



Box topper from "All 660" series boxes:

[ALR-bishop]

I do agree with Dave, who has done more research on Topps than anyone I know...see his blog and publications....that you can put little stock in what Topps says or said about their current or historical product publicly.

None of their execs in the period in question could have foreseen the fanaticism displayed by me and others here about their little pieces of cardboard that were developed initially as a way to sell candy and gum. I bet if you had tried to discuss variations with them you would have gotten a blank stare followed by..."Oh you mean screw ups"

[glynparson]

available in all in one series i have a wax box. that said the series wax is far easier to find. Many people probably did see the all in one series wax but it was not as readily available as the single series, that is just a fact. It is far easier to find say a 1973 Clemente than a 1973 Bob Boone. Anyone that thinks they were not available all in one series is incorrect that does not mean that more were not issued as series. A statement by an executive or anyone else usually means little to me I go with the evidence, and the evidence is though available in all in one series form the 1973 packs issued in series, and collections of cards found are most often in series form not all in one.

[toppcat]

Topps was moving more an more product via Rak Paks by 1973 and it's certainly how I bought the majority of cards in the early 70's. You would have to look at a lot of Raks but I have to think many were all 660 or at least had several mixed series..

[ALR-bishop]

I have enjoyed and learned some interesting stuff from this and the prior thread. As is often true in looking at a historical question, the answer may not be a simple yes or no. It is great sharing hobby experiences and knowledge in threads like these