shill bidders?

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by Leon

Just because someone says they think there is shilling in Probstein auctions

That's not what he said. He said his auctions are shilled.

Just like if I were to say "It is known Brockelman & Luckey Auctions are shilled" (they're not btw), I'm not saying that I think maybe one or two might have been possibly shilled. I'm saying your auctions are shilled. ***Again, I don't think they are.

I was just taken aback by the careless generalization.

Also, the 1% could very well be low. He has quite a few bad apples.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Also, the 1% could very well be low. He has quite a few bad apples.

Yes, including the bad apple in the mirror.

[Republicaninmass]

What if the price is so low, the consignor, or seller buys it back?

[Jeffrompa]

I think it's an inherent problem with selling consigned items on EBay . How can he know if the owners are bidding or not ? And if he did can he stop every auction ? It's different if someone can prove the seller is getting others to put bids in to jack up the prices .

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Jeffrompa

I think it's an inherent problem with selling consigned items on EBay . How can he know if the owners are bidding or not ? And if he did can he stop every auction ? It's different if someone can prove the seller is getting others to put bids in to jack up the prices .

As has been said many times, all an ebay seller has to do is block anyone with more than xx retractions in the last 6 mos. Put that number at more than 5 and at least some of the shilling would be more difficult. As it is, it is a joke the way some of the bidders in those auctions retract bids. I haven't seen too much blame put on the sellers for actually doing the shilling but more for the blind eye they seem to turn on it.

[vintagetoppsguy]

I feel like we re-hash this issue every few months. Probstein himself may not be shilling his own auctions, but he turns a blind eye when his consignors do. It was pointed out to Probstein over a year and a half ago that Panky was shilling his own items (that’s when you could still track members and purchases by feedback) and he did nothing about it. Probstein was told what was going on, shown proof, yet still let Panky continue to consign and continue to shill his auctions. What more do you need to know about Probstein?

Also, as Leon mentioned, he could block bidders with 'X' amount of bid retractions. People can choose to do business with him or not. It doesn’t matter to me. As for me, I refuse to do business with someone like that.

That said, I don't believe the auction in question was shilled.

[Wite3]

I would love to see the actual screen cap where I could see the time stamps on the bids (it is too small to read currently)...if it was a bot, the time stamps might be meaningful...

Joshua

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

...I would be shocked if 1% of those auctions were shilled.

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Also, the 1% could very well be low. He has quite a few bad apples.

You're doing good so far.