The Actual Top 20 Lifetime HR Leaders (OT)

[sniffy5]

I don't know. Boggs is in the Hall of Fame for his years in Boston. Maybe I'm wrong, but did he request to go into the Hall in a Devil Rays cap? Or was it a Yankee cap? Either way, that would explain why the Red Sox are not recognizing him...

[packs]

I hear people about training and being an elite athlete and I agree whole heartedly that people can build themselves naturally through a combination of training and genetics.

But just food for thought. In 1989 Ken Griffey Jr. was listed as 6'3 195. In 1998 when he hit 56 homers for a second year in a row he was listed as 6'3 205.

In 1990 Frank Thomas was listed as 6'5 240. In 1994 after winning his second MVP in a row he was listed as 6'5 257.

Pudge was 40 pounds heavier.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by packs

I hear people about training and being an elite athlete and I agree whole heartedly that people can build themselves naturally through a combination of training and genetics.

But just food for thought. In 1989 Ken Griffey Jr. was listed as 6'3 195. In 1998 when he hit 56 homers for a second year in a row he was listed as 6'3 205.

In 1990 Frank Thomas was listed as 6'5 240. In 1994 after winning his second MVP in a row he was listed as 6'5 257.

Pudge was 40 pounds heavier.

...and my drivers license still lists me at 235

[Peter_Spaeth]

Gwynn, then Carew, then Boggs. But Boggs may have been the best at arguing hits and errors with the official scorer because his stats mattered so much to him.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by sniffy5

I don't know. Boggs is in the Hall of Fame for his years in Boston. Maybe I'm wrong, but did he request to go into the Hall in a Devil Rays cap? Or was it a Yankee cap? Either way, that would explain why the Red Sox are not recognizing him...

No, Red Sox cap.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

No, Red Sox cap.

I thought he promised the Rays that since they signed him and let him reach 3000 hits, he'd request the Rays cap??

[Peter_Spaeth]

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[PowderedH2O]

Bodies can't always tell you the truth. When I played high school football I was scrawny. I was 5'10" and weighed 145-150 lbs. I worked out and ate and ate and drank shakes and by my senior year I was playing at 160. I stayed between 140-160 until I was about 28 or 29. Then, suddenly, the weight started piling on. I wasn't doing anything different in my exercise or eating. I am now 215 and I haven't been able to keep the weight under 200 consistently for over 20 years. The point I am trying to make is that if I were an elite athlete, around 28 I would have shown a 40-50 pound weight gain. One might think I was using steroids. A lot of guys pack on muscle and weight as they get to that age. So, I can't criticise a player that has this happen. Now, does the head get abnormally large too? Well, that might be a different story.

[sniffy5]

Defending players from so-called "steroid era" (probably as much if not more HGH as steroids) is pretty pointless.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Should Gaylord Perry be in the Hall?

[packs]

I'm with sniffy.