1888 S. F. Hess (N321) card controversy ends....it's FREE, at last it's FREE of TPG

[oldjudge]

Pete--supply is only one side of the equation. What is trimmed off a poster is less valuable than actually issued cards.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Pete--supply is only one side of the equation. What is trimmed off a poster is less valuable than actually issued cards.

I can definitively argue that the demand side of the equation is more important than the supply side in determining value. And no doubt most, if not all, poster cuts are less valuable than cards, in my experience (too).

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Leon

I can definitively argue that the demand side of the equation is more important than the supply side in determining value. And no doubt most, if not all, poster cuts are less valuable than cards, in my experience (too).

I agree...but perhaps not forever.

[tedzan]

OK guys......after several iterations, SGC got it correct on my S. F. Hess J. Smith card............



1st label








2nd label Proof (incorrect)






Final label Type 2 (correct)






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[oldjudge]

If type 2 means trimmed off a poster they got it right. I don't believe that these should be slabbed at all, not with an A and certainly not with a numerical grade. Are there any other items trimmed off a poster that get slabbed?

[packs]

Old Judge mini's if I'm not mistaken were trimmed from posters.

I've seen a lot of Buchner's trimmed from posters that have been slabbed.

Have also seen some Cracker Jacks that were trimmed from a poster slabbed.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

If type 2 means trimmed off a poster they got it right. I don't believe that these should be slabbed at all, not with an A and certainly not with a numerical grade. Are there any other items trimmed off a poster that get slabbed?

Jay

While I may agree with you, I've seen N28's slabbed that were cut from posters (or the Allen & Ginter album).


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[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

If type 2 means trimmed off a poster they got it right. I don't believe that these should be slabbed at all, not with an A and certainly not with a numerical grade. Are there any other items trimmed off a poster that get slabbed?

I'm with Jay on this one, if it's trimmed from a poster it's a clipping. Not much different than the newspaper clippings that are sold and sometimes slabbed.

To say "Type 2" somehow implies that this is a separate issue of cards independently distributed alongside or in tandem with the normal N321’s. That isn’t the case unless I’m missing something.

Perhaps the grading folks have slabbed N28’s from the G20 banner or the booklet which would be silly. If so are they labeled N28 “Type 2” or just “blank back” or something? Also I would love to see an example of a slabbed N28 from a G20 banner how anyone could slab that would be comical love to know which company or companies did that.

Just my two cents.

[oldjudge]

Good observation on the minis, but there are two differences. First, minis were also issued as normal cards with no difference from the trimmed ones. Second, the poster that you refer to is an uncut regular sheet glued to a cardboard sign. It is identical to the issued card. This "Type 2" is of a different design. I completely agree with John, that label is very misleading.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

If type 2 means trimmed off a poster they got it right. I don't believe that these should be slabbed at all, not with an A and certainly not with a numerical grade. Are there any other items trimmed off a poster that get slabbed?

I am pretty sure I can dig up poster cuts from other series that have been slabbed. If not, then we have hundreds, if not thousands, of cards cut from boxes and slabbed. I have no issue with any of this except on the label it should also say "poster cut out". Then all would be good in my mind.