Simple Auction Site

[Leon]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

If you as a customer, do not trust the software that the auction house uses for, say reliability for taking your bids and it affected your bidding strategies etc. couldn't and wouldn't it affect your business with merchants that use that software?

On a similar note, If you knew that you constantly get screwed by that software's max bid system wouldn't you be hesitant to buy from people that use it?

I'd like to think so. You as a buyer have to trust the seller, and the software manufacturer which is an extension of the sellers business model. It is upon both of them of them to make and implement software with integrity. If there is no useful purpose for that information or that information can only be used to perpetuate things which are illegal, then I would say that it is equally as important for the software manufacturer to put adequate protections into place to protect against their own liability.

I'm certain that if it ever got out, that the software could do that, the number of people wanting to bid with that software using a max bid, would go down fast. I have always questioned to what extent the software protects against someone with above average computer skills, from determining what a max bid is, even if the software had intentions to hide this information and I'd still be interested in investigating the back end, and code to determine if there are any gaps that should be closed.

As a side note, consider this scenario: If say B and L use SimpleAuctionSite for their business and someone finds an exploit in the software which was reported as a problem(lets say personally identifiable information loss or credit card numbers are stolen) which was not addressed by the software vendor who knew the problem existed, the software vendor could be liable for not addressing known issues which resulted in the losses to the customer due to negligence.

Kevin

If my uncle had tits he would be my aunt. You make a lot of accusations and assumptions and personally I think you are speaking out of your ass. (changed to make sense, but I don't think the point was lost...thanks Denny )

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by Leon

If my aunt had tits she would be my uncle. You make a lot of accusations and assumptions and personally I think you are speaking out of your ass.

Ahhh... Leon my good friend! I think you might be a bit upset at sed poster!
I do believe that your Aunt has tits... And Your Uncle is Very Grateful for those

[sports-rings]

On a similar note, If you knew that you constantly get screwed by that software's max bid system wouldn't you be hesitant to buy from people that use it?

It's so rare that I put a max bid in, but I can't imagine what good can come out of an auction house or their employees knowing my max bid.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, this is a new auction house.

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by Leon

If my uncle had tits he would be my aunt. You make a lot of accusations and assumptions and personally I think you are speaking out of your ass. (changed to make sense, but I don't think the point was lost...thanks Denny )

Um. Sure. If your uncle had tits, he would not be your aunt, he would have gynocomastia.

There wasn't a single accusation in the post though, so I'm really not sure where you are going with your entire response. It really is quite defensive though, I must say.

I do, however work in the IT industry. I don't think it would be very hard for me to find something that needs improvement in the way of security. I'm guessing by your response, you would never be interested in finding any holes in the software. Right?

The fact of the matter is I was just on the phone today with love of the game auctions and there is a problem with the Amount Due calculations in the Simple Auction Software. If the proper billing amount can't be summed correctly, do you think the rest of the software is bullet proof? Go ahead and call them up and ask about the issue if you want.

Over time, there have been off board discussions about the software that give me even greater confidence in my suspicions.

Maybe since you use the software you can answer the burning question. Does the software allow you to see a max bid in any way?

Kevin

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

Maybe since you use the software you can answer the burning question. Does the software allow you to see a max bid in any way?

Kevin

Hey there Kevin,

I do Believe that Leon answered your question even before you asked!
I do admire Your due diligence into the matter. However, Strictly from a Business Standpoint, And You even said that You work in the IT geek world...
I would almost imagine that You would really understand the point that when a company provides a Service, Having as many options available for the Customer to Choose from is what Provider/Customer diversity is all about.

I do believe that You see clear to the option of "Can or Can't See"...
And I do understand Your "Hobby Watch Mentality".
I think the issue here just lies into All of uS being as diligent as You have been.

No one like's to be Shilled... oR!?
The Provider is Just the Provider... The Provider is Not Responsible for how others Run their Company... Nor should they be!

Just my 2 pennies

As Always...

[thehoodedcoder]

By that same logic, then sponsors shouldn't drop sports stars when they do things that hurt their image? After all, they are just a company and bear no burden from who or what their sponsored individuals do in their personal time? Right?

Lets take it even a step further. What if the software had the ability to install malware to your computer to serve advertising. It is only on the auction house to determine if they want to infect your computer with unwanted advertising. It is offered in the auction software, but the auction house gets to chose whether they use it or not? Does that sound like a good idea? I mean, its the responsibility of the auction house on what they do, and who they do business with after all right?

Lets be realistic here. The auction house software provider has a responsibility to not provide options which so easily promote unethical behavior and have absolutely no real useful business value. Not only that, knowing that fraud is being committed with your software and doing nothing about it is negligent in regards to the law. Most businesses wouldn't want this burden and unnecessary risk looming over their business.

Kevin

[autograf]

Sorry to hear about your uncle Leon.......

[steve B]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

Lets take it even a step further. What if the software had the ability to install malware to your computer to serve advertising. It is only on the auction house to determine if they want to infect your computer with unwanted advertising. It is offered in the auction software, but the auction house gets to chose whether they use it or not? Does that sound like a good idea? I mean, its the responsibility of the auction house on what they do, and who they do business with after all right?

Kevin

You mean like Ebay which is infested with ads from doubleclick.net and whatever the new one is I ran across yesterday?

Or like Facebook?
Or like ...........the majority of large commercial websites? (It's always amusing when the ads are for their competitors)

It's annoying, but from what I see out there it's probably not hurting business much.

All software has flaws and security holes. That's the sort of thing that happens with overly complex systems. But my opinions about software in general don't really belong here.


Steve B

[sports-rings]

I wonder if we got off topic here.

as an example, I use ebay to purchase items from sellers. I'm glad that no matter which sellers decide to use ebay, they don't know my max bid. How well do I know a seller or people who might work for the seller or be friends with the seller. I don't want the seller to know my max bid and I'm glad ebay does not leave it up to the seller (in this case, ebay's cusomter, since they pay the fee to ebay) to decide what access they have to ebay.

a lot of (me included, sometimes crap on certain auction companies), why wold we want the most used software out there to share personal information. what good comes out of that.

when companies put in writing that they don't know the max bids ahead of time, that instills more confidence in me to use the handy tool in the first place.

[thehoodedcoder]

Won't someone just come out and say yes, that the auction house can see the max bid, without beating around the bush?

Do, none of the action houses want to admit this openly? Maybe, Leon who runs the site, and uses the software can answer this question in a direct yes or no fashion.

I'm not sure why all of a sudden the responses went cold, after he told me I was talking out of my ass.

Kevin

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

By that same logic, then sponsors shouldn't drop sports stars when they do things that hurt their image? After all, they are just a company and bear no burden from who or what their sponsored individuals do in their personal time? Right?

Lets take it even a step further. What if the software had the ability to install malware to your computer to serve advertising. It is only on the auction house to determine if they want to infect your computer with unwanted advertising. It is offered in the auction software, but the auction house gets to chose whether they use it or not? Does that sound like a good idea? I mean, its the responsibility of the auction house on what they do, and who they do business with after all right?

Lets be realistic here. The auction house software provider has a responsibility to not provide options which so easily promote unethical behavior and have absolutely no real useful business value. Not only that, knowing that fraud is being committed with your software and doing nothing about it is negligent in regards to the law. Most businesses wouldn't want this burden and unnecessary risk looming over their business.

Kevin

Hey there Kevin,

With All Do Sincerity... Your an IT Guy! You seem to know the business & what the Shoulds & Shouldn'ts Should Be of an Online Auction House... Sooo, Why don't You Start up a Business that will keep us All Happy ;- )

Or... Maybe You could compile Your Due Diligence into a Blog website informing us All to whom these Scamming Auction Site's are? It would be more helpful than bitchin' about it... or getting us to agree with You.

I'm not sayin' that your right or wrong...

Just Sayin'... 2 more pennies...

Leon, You're point Only made me self reflect on How I Don't Want To Be That Uncle! And You Reminded me of my Lacking Area of "Push uP Therapy".

uP... Down..., uP... Down..., uP... Down......

[sports-rings]

Originally Posted by Leon View Post
Our B and L SimpleAuctionsite s/w is programmed for us to never be able to see an up-to bid and that has been from day one. Same with our previous provider. NOT ALL auction houses that use their s/w can see the max bids. Only if the AH asks or allows it, can it be done.

Glad to hear that, thanks Leon!

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by leon

if my uncle had tits he would be my aunt. You make a lot of accusations and assumptions and personally i think you are speaking out of your ass. (changed to make sense, but i don't think the point was lost...thanks denny )

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