assault weapon ban again

vintagetoppsguy · #1 06-16-2014, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jhs5120

There are more than 30 states that DO NOT require any form of photo ID to obtain an assault rifle.

If anyone buys a gun from a licensed dealer (no matter which state they reside in), you have to fill out Form 4473 from the federal government and present a government issued id.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_4473

That article is talking about private sales from one person to another (although it conveniently fails to mention that).

The cough syrup argument has been worn out now.

jhs5120 · #2 06-16-2014, 11:53 AM

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vintagetoppsguy · #3 06-16-2014, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jhs5120

It still stands, I can go to any gun show in Texas and purchase an assault rifle without showing ID.

And it's still wrong, but at least you're consistent.

You can purchase an assault rifle from an individual, not a dealer, at a gun show in Texas without an id. If you're going to say that, you need to be clear on the matter. You make it sound as if nobody is requiring paperwork or checking ids. Besides, good luck finding an assault rifle for sale from an individual at a gun show. Most people are holding onto them.

vintagetoppsguy · #4 06-16-2014, 12:25 PM

And for that matter, can't you pretty much buy a gun in any state from an individual without an id? Are all those shootings in Chicago committed with guns purchased with an id, or do you think most are committed with guns purchased without an id? But, wait, isn't Illinois one of the states that requires an id to purchase a gun? So doesn't that mean that people disregarding the law?

jhs5120 · #5 06-16-2014, 12:39 PM

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vintagetoppsguy · #6 06-16-2014, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jhs5120

If you're trying to argue that a criminal has never purchased a gun through a private sale, you'll most likely lose that argument.

I'm trying to argue just the opposite. Illinois is one of the states that requires an id for private party gun sales. It was more of a question for you. Do you think that the bad guys of Chicago are complying with that law, or do you think they purchase their guns off the street without an id? You would probably say that most of the bad guys purchase their guns off the street without and id, right? Therefore my whole point was what does it matter if there are laws on the books or not requiring an id for private part sales if the bad guys aren't going to comply?

Chicago has some of the strictist gun laws in the country, yet their gun violence is among the highest in the country. Why aren't the laws working? Are there not enough laws in Chicago or do they need more?

jhs5120 · #7 06-16-2014, 12:58 PM

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jhs5120 · #8 06-16-2014, 12:29 PM

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