Diamond matchbooks

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by DezHood

Thanks Jeff. I'd like to pick up an ACC at some point. The newer guides like Becket - do they still mention his designations? Mine (2012-2013 Football Card Price Guide) didn't as far as I can find.

Not the guides I have.

jeff

[Myachelydra]

Hey John,

Do you subscribe to Gridiron Greats? Carl, Mike Bonner, and Mike Hatley have done some nice research on the the sets and presented it in GG's.

Congrats Carl on completing the '33 set...quite an accomplishment!

[Exhibitman]

The football matchcovers were listed in the ACC:

U5: silver (90), orange or green background
U6: (164) all or part in four colors
U7: (56) 2 types, 3 colors
U8: Traditional rivals 1933 (12) 1934 (11)

[TanksAndSpartans]

This continues to be a really informative thread. Glad to see the new posts.

Originally Posted by Myachelydra

Do you subscribe to Gridiron Greats? Carl, Mike Bonner, and Mike Hatley have done some nice research on the the sets and presented it in GG's.

John, glad you chimed in - you have the most matchbooks on your site that I've seen in one place (Also reminds me I need to follow up with you on something else). I've been a GG subscriber for about 6 months - but I did pick up the 4 Chicle related issues via backorder - I remember there was an article title - something like "Yes, I collect matchbooks" and at the time I just glanced over it. Now I can't find it. Do you remember the issue? If not, I'll go back and take a look.

On a side note, I started the thread around the time I was researching a player who's matchbook appears here: https://msbsportscards.com/msbsports...chbooks?page=2. The Chicle set has Clark, Presnell, and Caddel, but it turns out the missing backfield mate is no slouch. He may or may not have briefly held the all-time rushing record. I posted on this site to find out, but didn't get much of a response: http://www.pfraforum.org/index.php?showtopic=3588

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by DezHood

On a side note, I started the thread around the time I was researching a player who's matchbook appears here: https://msbsportscards.com/msbsports...chbooks?page=2. The Chicle set has Clark, Presnell, and Caddel, but it turns out the missing backfield mate is no slouch. He may or may not have briefly held the all-time rushing record. I posted on this site to find out, but didn't get much of a response: http://www.pfraforum.org/index.php?showtopic=3588

Hi John,

If I recall correctly, it was thought in the late '30s that Ace Gutowsky broke the all time rushing records but it was later determined that he didn't have as many official yards as was thought and never did hold the record.

jeff

[TanksAndSpartans]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

it was later determined that he didn't have as many official yards as was thought and never did hold the record

Thanks Jeff - I really appreciate someone discussing this. It's a personal favorite record - I even remember Jim Brown threatened to come back if a certain individual broke it.

I figured there was some statistical revisions that went on. I really think it's too bad though. Gutowsky was so close to being immortalized. And it wouldn't have taken anything from Battles as he was the original holder.

Specifically, what I found is that on 10-26-39, the newspapers were saying Gutowsky had bested Battles 3,399-3398. Now, we see Battles with a 3511-3279 lead. So Battles gained 113 yards after his retirement and Gutowsky lost 120 after he retired. Good thing I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'd say someone didn't want Gutowsky in the record books. Thanks Again.

[swarmee]

But my favorites are my John "Stumpy" Thomason books. Stumpy received a bear during his Rose Bowl trip in Jan 1929 and let it live under the GT bleachers. Nice that he got a "card"/matchbook.