Virginia Brights boxes

[jerrys]

Henry - I put a divider in there for separation of subjects. You need not be the answer man for all tobacco related questions.

Anyway, looking in your display case I didn't notice any of the precious stones you had in Brooklyn.

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Leon - The label suggests that a "Photo Print" be given away with this package.....

Photo prints suggest cheap paper; Helmar premiums were either inserts or obtained by mailing in quantities of coupons; doubt any of these were given out at the point of purchase.

I have the TT pack pictured below and would like to know what "card" was handed out with it. Of course I have a one cent Cash Gift Slip enclosed.

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[ZachS]

Some really cool pictures in this thread. I really enjoy seeing how people display their collections (especially since I lost all my man-space to children).

All I have in the way of packs is a beat up Sweet Caporal 1911, Factory 42, District 4, NC. According to the stamp info it should have contained a T205 or a T206 SC 350/460 card at one point.

[1880nonsports]

point well taken Jerry :-) Now as to the boxes - Does the first box have the same factory/district info as the second one you've shown? They seem to be different. My first step - even though you didn't ask me :-) would be to try and date the first clam shell while trying to match the factory info with any of the baseball related issues. There was quite a bit of "cross-pollination" within the ATC of their inserts and premium issues. I have gift slip banding in a couple of different styles on my Helmar and other packs. Also popular were the "see that this package....." type banding strips so I imagine this process went on for a significant period of time. In terms of a few NS premiums I believe some were inserted or offered well into 1916 and perhaps even a year or two beyond that.

[jerrys]

Just curious to know whether your Richmond packs are dated during the years the cards were inserted. The overprinted dates on tax revenue stamps prove when they were used. I have not seen a 20 with the overprint, I'd like to know. Generally the printing is in red ink but the later ones are blue. It's been nine years since I wrote the SCD article on cigarette packs but I only covered the 19th century products. Due for an update.

The first TT is a file image; the second is mine. The TT photo print is a mystery. Untold numbers of tobacco shops were supplied with photo prints to handout with every ten cent pack of TT cigarettes they sold. This form of card distribution must be unique. None survived?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by jerrys

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The first TT is a file image; the second is mine. The TT photo print is a mystery. Untold numbers of tobacco shops were supplied with photo prints to handout with every ten cent pack of TT cigarettes they sold. This form of card distribution must be unique. None survived?

If you look closely at some of my pictures above you will see your file copy of the Turkish Trophies pack, with baseball print band, sitting on my shelf . As we discussed before the thinking is it was either S81 or L1 "prints", but there is no definitive proof right now that I am aware of as to what is mentioned.

[1880nonsports]

I probably was too literal in defining photo print in the context of today's usage however it also makes no sense to me that they would have referred to their highly touted silks and leather premiums as being representative of photo prints. My guess - and most likely I'm the only supporter of such an idea - is that they were excess T3's....................
I think I give up at this point and going back to the easy questions found when exploring the vagueries of 19th century packs and cards.

[1880nonsports]

It's difficult to read the CANCELLATION on one of the 2 clamboxes but on the one with the red stamping - Factory 25 March 12, 1889. I believe that is a date frame within which a card could have been inserted into the pack.

no guarantees whether written or implied