Opinions Requested

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by t206trader

I can see both sides on this one. Still, if you agreed to his terms, why should you care what he eventually does with said cards? I understand the whole selling cards before you have them argument. Still, if the deal was "done", I see no harm in him communicating with others about a future sale of the cards. Obviously transparency is the issue here. Is it wrong for him to agree to a deal with you and flip the cards for double what you're asking? No. Is it wrong for him to agree to a deal with you and then possibly back out when his flip doesn't pan out? Yes. Still, agreeing to his terms enters you into a verbal contract. Whatever happens after that is irrelevant. If I were you I would carry through with the deal. If he backs out or reneges later then hold him accountable and refuse his business.

Brandon

I disagree. Why didn't the guy but them already? Why did you have to wait for payment ? Me me me.. I know. He doesn't have the money unless he resells them first. He holds you hostage and there is a large chance you would not have been paid(especially when he is trying to sell your cards(unknowingly ) for twice as much. I would have done exactly whAt you did; no more deal. They are not his cards to sell and you did not agree to him brokering. He was being disingenuous at best and that gives you ever right to kill any agreement (especially if it was one different than you originally to hought).

[Runscott]

(Hey Leon - does this sound familiar )

Now I get to hear opinions without having a Net54 boulder tied around me and getting tossed in a lake.

[t206trader]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

I disagree. Why didn't the guy but them already? Why did you have to wait for payment ? Me me me.. I know. He doesn't have the money unless he resells them first. He holds you hostage and there is a large chance you would not have been paid(especially when he is trying to sell your cards(unknowingly ) for twice as much. I would have done exactly whAt you did; no more deal. They are not his cards to sell and you did not agree to him brokering. He was being disingenuous at best and that gives you ever right to kill any agreement (especially if it was one different than you originally to hought).

Regardless, OP agreed to the deal. If the terms were not to the OP's liking he could have easily said no originally. Seems like this is a slippery slope. We can't know whether he would have been paid or not since the OP didn't follow through on his end of the bargain. I agree that it's probable he wouldn't have been paid but that's the risk you take when you agree to a "wait to pay" deal.

[ezez420]

My view is I don't care what would be done with the cards after they were paid for.

But the fact that you state you don't have the money yet try to sell to obtain the money shows dishonesty. And if you can't sell you would likely back out or request more time to pay.

[t206trader]

Originally Posted by ezez420

My view is I don't care what would be done with the cards after they were paid for.

But the fact that you state you don't have the money yet try to sell to obtain the money shows dishonesty. And if you can't sell you would likely back out or request more time to pay.

I understand your apprehension but I just believe that if you agree to a deal for X amount of time you should allow X amount of time to pass before canceling the deal. Withdrawing from a deal for "could haves" or "might nots" just doesn't strike me as the right thing to do. Unless the Buyer did something to void the contract (which doesn't sound like the case here) I would feel obligated. Suppose this was eBay and the buyer requested more time to pay? Would you have leniency then? If you did and noticed they created a listing for the card at double what you were asking would you refuse to sell them it? Assuming the buyer paid, you would be eventually obligated to complete the deal. Talking about the buyers actions as right or wrong doesn't have anything to do with your deal.

Suppose I agree to sell a stained but valuable card to a board member and later I hear through another board member that the buyer plans on taking my card to have its stains removed and sell it for double what I'm asking. The fact that I don't agree with the buyers actions or view them as immoral doesn't change the fact that we have an agreement. I would still be obligated to sell them the card based upon our original agreement. If I didn't like the buyers actions I would blackball them immediately following the sale and agree to never sell to them again which is what I would do in your current scenario.

[Forever Young]

Ed,

Like I said.. if it were me.. it is a no brainer. This "a deal is a deal" is bs IMO based on the circumstances you have provided. You will have people arguing both ways. Some only looking from a buyer's point of view, some from a sellers point of view, some who might be friends with the unknown buyer, ect ect.

I would cancel the deal and support you for doing it if that is what you want to do.

You should not be labelled as breaking your word(ending deal) by a guy who was not upfront from the beginning. That is just lunacy/one sided horses*t.


Ben

[daves_resale_shop]

Ed,
I'd honor the deal and expect the agreed upon payment from the buyer on the date discussed... I will also say that If I were in your shoes, I would have a very difficult time transacting with this person in the future...

Good luck
Dave

[Kawika]

Technically speaking, a deal is a deal, but the guy's hidden agenda is kinda slimy. I wish Joe Palaez was around for this thread. He'd rip the buyer a new one. ****Sonny Boy, are you a Collector or are you a FLIPPER?****

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by daves_resale_shop

Ed,
I'd honor the deal and expect the agreed upon payment from the buyer on the date discussed... I will also say that If I were in your shoes, I would have a very difficult time transacting with this person in the future...

Good luck
Dave

Nevermind

[drcy]

Originally Posted by daves_resale_shop

Ed,
I'd honor the deal and expect the agreed upon payment from the buyer on the date discussed

Agree with what Dave said. If he pays at agreed time, the deal is fulfilled from both ends as promised. If he backs out because he couldn't pre-sell cards, that would obviously be slimy and worth complaining about. I think you should stick to the deal.

For the record, I don't think putting up for sale cards you don't physically have is good practice, even when you have/will pay your bill. And this includes for the seller. It's a recipe for trouble. Though putting out feelers and asking friends if they want to go in on parts of auction lots seems to be not uncommon practice for members of this board.

P.s. I already bought those cards from the guy you made the deal with, so you can't back out now. If you want to make a deal with me to buy them back (at a slight profit for me, of course), I'm sure you can make a deal before the 10 days is up.

[murphusa]

So after your introduction you said, I made a deal with a board member ...

what should I do?

I would think that if it was a board member they would now know your state of mind and the opinions you are asking for.

Ah, this was done on the card side, so they don't come over here

[drcy]

My final opinion is you (and the buyer) should stick to the terms of the deal (A week wait isn't that long. I've taken longer naps.). The only reasonable possible reason I see for considering backing out is if the buyer lied about the reason for the delay in payment. But, still, if he pays after a week he pays and the reasons behind the delay (even if he fibbed) would be nether here nor there. And, yes, I said the buyer has to stick to the deal too.

I don't see how on day 2 you can out someone for not paying the bill on day 7.