Real / Fake 1954 Wilson Franks Ted Williams

[cparker94]

I do agree with Sean. As long as you are protected by your credit card company and there is no risk to you, I would proceed with caution. However, if you are protected, keep in mind that your money could be tied up for a long period of time during the refund process. Do you know the seller? Check into his feedback. Request his phone number. Call him. You will have a better feel for transaction after talking to him.

Craig from Texas

Originally Posted by Sean1125

I disagree. Card should not be purchased in the first place. There is likely a reason it is not graded, plus the price is incredibly high to begin with (in terms of condition, even if it is authentic). By the time you get it back and find out the bad news good luck getting money back...

You really should stay away from this card...

[FrankWilsonWilliams]

​​​​Goudey Big League
No.7 Ted Lyons, white sox
No.251 Irving “Bump” Hadley, Yankees
No.255 Julius Solters, Indians
No.262 Joseph “Ducky” Medwick, Cards
No.266 Ervin “Pete” Fox, Tigers
No.270 Ernest Lombardi, Reds
No.271 Joseph “Joe” Vosmik, Red Sox
No.272 Richard “Dick’ Bartell, Giants
No.275 Irving “Bump” Hadley, Yankees
No.276 Henry “Zeke” Bonura, Senators
No.281 Alphonse “Al” Lopez, Bees
No.284 Rudolph “Rudy” York, Tigers
No.285 Raymond “Rip” Radcliff, White Sox

​​​​Piedmont Ciggerette “T-206”
Elberfeld, Washington
Mattern, Boston Nat’l
Barry, Phila. Amer.
Wheat, Brooklyn
Kelley, Toronto
Fiene, Chicago Amer.
Collins, Minneapolis
Griffith, Cincinnati
Chase, N. Y. Amer. “Portrait”
Chase, N. Y. Amer. “Fielding”
Wallace, St. Louis Amer.
Jennings, Detroit
Griffith, Cincinnati
Robert Harmon, St Louis Nationals “400 designs”
Roger Bresnahan, St Louis Nationals “400 designs”
​​​​​Pop Ups
Don Drysdale, LA Dodgers
Warren Spahn, Milwaukee Braves
Ed Mathews, Milwaukee Braves
Willie McCovey, SF Giants​

​​​​Sovereign Ciggerettes “350 Subjects”
Joss, Cleveland
Chase, NY Amer.
Titus, Phila. Nat’l
Jennings, Detroit
Milligan, Jersey City
Fred Clakre, Pittsburg “400 designs”

​​​​​Play Ball, Gum Inc.
No.6 Carl Owen Hubbell, NY Giants​“3 Cards”
No.8 Melvin Thomas Ott, NY Giants​“2 cards”
No.13 James Emory Foxx, Boston Red Sox
No.19 Charles Leonard Gehringer, Detroit Tigers​ “2 cards”
No. 20 Charles Herbert Ruffing, NY Yankees
No.56 john Samuel Vander Meer, Cincinnati Reds

​​​​Diamond Stars
No.28 Alphonse Lopes, Dodgers
No. 30 Henry Manush, Washington
No.31 “kiki” Hazen Cuyler, Cubs
No.60 Charles Ruffing, Yankees
No.43 Theodore Lyons, White Sox
No.36 Ernest Lombardi. Reds
No.35 Earl Averill, Cleveland

​​​​Wilson Franks
Ted Williams, Red Sox
Gil Hodges, Dodgers
Bob Feller, Cleveland
Ray Jablonski, Cardinals
Enos Slaughter, Yankees
Sammy White, Red Sox
Andy Pafko, Braves
Johnny Groth, White Sox
Hank Sauer, Cubs
Rob Schoendienst, Cardinals
Paul Richards, White Sox

​​​​Polar Bear Tobacco “T-206”
Chance, Chicago Nat’l​“2 cards”
Crandall, New York Nat’l
Jennings, Detroit
Leach, Pittsburg

​​​​Hassan Double Folds
Terrence Turner/ Jos. Birmingham​“2 cards”
Fred Payne/ Edward Walsh
Wm. A. Foxen/ Frank Chance
William Bergen/C.N. Rucker
S.R. Magee/ George Paskert
John McGraw/ Roger Bresnahan
Edgar Summers/ Oscar Stanage
John Meyers/ Otis Crandall​“2 Cards”
John Evers/ James Archer
Fred Clarke/ George Gibson
George Gibson/ Al. P. Leifield
Fred Clarke/ Robert Byrne
Harry Wolter/ Harold Chase
David Jones/ Jas Delahanty​“2 Cards”
John Hummel/ Jacod Daubert
Ira Thomas/ Charles Bender
S.R. Magee/ Patrick Moran
Charlie Dooin/ S.R. Magee
Charlie Dooin/ John Titus
Michael Doolan/ Charlie Dooin
Russell Ford/ Edward Sweeney​​“2 cards”
Dolly Gray/ Robert Groom
James Vaughn/ Russell Ford​“2 cards”
George Gibson/ Howard Camnitz
John Murray/ Fred Snodgrass
Frank LaPorte/ R. J. Wallace
Willaim Bergen/ Edward Barger
John Meyers/ Rich Marquard
Beals Becker/ Joshua Devore
John Meyers/ Leon Ames​“2 cards”
Fred Clarke/ John Miller
Zach Wheat/ WM. Dahlen
Fred Merkle/ Lawrence Doyle
George Gibson/ Chas. Philippe
WM. Dahlen/ W. D. Scanlan
Robt. H. Bescher/ John Bates
John Kling/ HY. Steinfeldt
Oscar Stanage/ Edgar Willett
Clarke Griffith/ Geo. McBride
W. A. Latham/ A. L. Raymond



​​​​Sweet Caporal Cigarettes “T-206”
Marquard, N.Y Nat’l
Crawford, Detroit
Mc Graw, N.Y. Nat’l
Elberfeld, N.Y Amer.
Graham, Boston Nat’l
Thomas E. Downey, Cincinnati Nat’l “400 designs”

​​​​Single Fold Mecca Cigarettes
Edgar Summers/ Hugh Jennings
Baker/ Collins
Fitzpatrick/Killian
George Wilste/ Fred Merkle
John Butler/ William Abstein
Jake Daubert/ G. N. Rucker
J. T. Meyers/ Larry Doyle
Chas Dooin/ John Titus
Walter Blair/ Roy Hartzell
W. E. Donovan/ Ralph Stroud
Edward Sweeney/ Harold Chase
Rueben Oldring/ Charles Bender
John Lapp/ John Barry
John Coombs/ Ira Thomas
James Barrett/ Grant Mcglynn
Joseph McGinnity/ Lewis McCarty
Joseph Ward/ Edward Foster
Charles Starr/ Arthur McCabe

​​​​​Sporting Life
Baker, Phila. Americans
E. Collins, Phila Americans
Madden, Boston Americans

​​​​​Assorted Singles
Bresnahan, Mgr. St. Louis, “Nadja Caramels”
Frank Baker, Phila Amer. “ Hassan 400 designs”
Collins, Phila Amer. “Stars of the Diamonds, Chip”
Jennings, Mgr. Detroit “American Caramels 100 Subjects”
Frank Baker Athletics (A.L.) “E-91 American Caramel”
Edward T Collins, Phila Amer, “Honest Tobacco”
Miller, Pittsburg, “Havana Cigarettes”

[FrankWilsonWilliams]

I appreciate all your insight. The list I just posted is the sellers entire list that I will buy for 6k. It was his fathers collection. All the signs seem like it's legit. Does this help change anyone's mind?

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by FrankWilsonWilliams

I appreciate all your insight. The list I just posted is the sellers entire list that I will buy for 6k. It was his fathers collection. All the signs seem like it's legit. Does this help change anyone's mind?

Assuming the Williams is Legit (I think it is legit, but I still think the price is piss-poor), I think you are paying pretty much retail across the board and the seller is doing no favors for you. Obviously if everything here is ultra high grade that changes, but I am assuming average grade for the issue (t206/Goudey/etc)

[Leon]

Without knowing more I would say it's probably worth it for the whole deal. That being said I expect your PM inbox to get some interest too .....If you get it take your time selling (at least do some good research) and good luck.

I should add, I would have to see conditions of cards to be more sure.... I am basing my thoughts off of them being pretty nice and I haven't penned each value...

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Leon

Without knowing more I would say it's probably worth it for the whole deal. That being said I expect your PM inbox to get some interest too .....If you get it take your time selling (at least do some good research) and good luck.

I should add, I would have to see conditions of cards to be more sure.... I am basing my thoughts off of them being pretty nice and I haven't penned each value...

+1

[autograf]

To me......they are all definitely legit. I think it's worth the $6K and like Leon said if you take your time, you should make money. Are you going to double your money--probably not unless something (or -things) grade out strong. An interesting lot of cards spanning 60 years. Love those Wilsons. A shame the Williams back is so far off kilter. That would pay for your lot if centered better. Post scans of all the cards if you get the lot!

[jhs5120]

If everything is VG you'll do fine. You overvalued the Williams (it's maybe a $2500 card), but if you can get a PSA 2-5 from the rest you're looking pretty good. I would try to get him down to $5,000 though.

[cparker94]

On that kind of money, I would need to see the collection in person. Does he live close by? Also, him saying that these are his father's could be a clue to be skeptical. Here are some examples.

1) "I'm not an expert card grader, so please look at the scans." What he really means is: "These cards aren't that great and there are no returns period."

2) "These cards belonged to my father." What he could mean is: "I want you to think that I know nothing about these cards. That way I can't be at fault if there are any problems with them."

Oh, and of course, my favorite....

3) "My husband just had a heart attack so this old stack of mint 1952's must go!" What this usually means is: "I am that husband and I plan on making you believe I'm a widow who knows nothing about cards and will rip you off."

Seriously, you need to set up an appointment at a public place if he is driving distance from you. Otherwise, at least call him. You will have a better idea once you talk to him over the phone or in person.

Craig from Texas

Originally Posted by FrankWilsonWilliams

I appreciate all your insight. The list I just posted is the sellers entire list that I will buy for 6k. It was his fathers collection. All the signs seem like it's legit. Does this help change anyone's mind?

[FrankWilsonWilliams]

Feller front

[FrankWilsonWilliams]

Goudey example

[FrankWilsonWilliams]

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