Joe Orlando is lying fakes flips look real..

[MW1]

Originally Posted by ergoism

The guy behind all of these fake Mantles has evolved his game.

He can make the slabs and the flips identical to PSA's right before they released this most recent version. All serial numbers and barcodes will match as well. He will take clean looking cards and TRIM them to look sharp. To protect yourself from this scam, measure your cards and see if you can find the same serial number sold in the past on VCP to compare images.

This guy is tucked away down in Mexico, doesn't come to the states, and uses unsuspecting pawns to deal his creations. I obtained a lot of information about him through e-mail and phone calls in the past but he cut me off when I shared some of the info to protect people from being scammed.

Look at all of the following pictures. Every single one of these is a fake slab and flip with a trimmed card inside. The source of these is same source of the PSA 9 55 Clemente that was headlining the most recent Clean Sweep auction.







Be careful who you buy from and do your homework.

Looks like all of those PSA holders have been cracked/opened on at least one side.

[ergoism]

Originally Posted by MW1

Looks like all of those PSA holders have been cracked/opened on at least one side.

These are reproductions, not original holders. There would be much more frosting if they were opened.

[MW1]

Originally Posted by ergoism

These are reproductions, not original holders. There would be much more frosting if they were opened.

No. They're not. Those are real PSA holders that have been opened and resealed.

[ergoism]

Originally Posted by MW1

No. They're not. Those are real PSA holders that have been opened and resealed.

Why are you so adamant about this?

Matty, regarding the Mantles, those are all reprints. He printed up a bunch of them the same way he printed up 1000 Jordans. The font on the Jordans are a little off as well as the borders being too smooth, see below.

[MW1]

Originally Posted by ergoism

Why are you so adamant about this?

There are specific security details present on an authentic PSA holder that a scammer would not likely spend the money to duplicate. I've read your previous threads both here and on CU and you're guessing that he's making his own holders or having them manufactured according to spec. He's not. Those are legitimate PSA holders. The bottom line is this: If someone offers you a PSA 10 1986-87 Fleer Jordan for 60% of retail, there's a 99% chance it's not real.

[ergoism]

Originally Posted by MW1

There are specific security details present on an authentic PSA holder that a scammer would not likely spend the money to duplicate. I've read your previous threads both here and on CU and you're guessing that he's making his own holders or having them manufactured according to spec. He's not. Those are legitimate PSA holders. The bottom line is this: If someone offers you a PSA 10 1986-87 Fleer Jordan for 60% of retail, there's a 99% chance it's not real.

I'm not guessing. I've spent countless hours on the phone with this guy. He enjoyed bragging about all of the money he has made scamming people. He gave me all the info he could minus his name. Leon can verify this. It's not very hard to replicate a simple piece of plastic. This is just one of the many scams this guy has run. All are equally brilliant and evil. If you think these are all original slabs, do you know how to break one open and reseal it without frosting?

[thehoodedcoder]

how do you remove frosting from the head lights on your car?

some slabs even open without any frosting occurring if not sealed properly.

exhibit number 1

kevin

[MW1]

Originally Posted by ergoism

I'm not guessing. I've spent countless hours on the phone with this guy. He enjoyed bragging about all of the money he has made scamming people. He gave me all the info he could minus his name. Leon can verify this. It's not very hard to replicate a simple piece of plastic. This is just one of the many scams this guy has run. All are equally brilliant and evil. If you think these are all original slabs, do you know how to break one open and reseal it without frosting?

I don't think we are on the same page here. Tell me what you think this might cost. Also, it's two distinct pieces not one. The front and back are not identical.

[ergoism]

Originally Posted by MW1

The bottom line is this: If someone offers you a PSA 10 1986-87 Fleer Jordan for 60% of retail, there's a 99% chance it's not real.

What would you do if you were offered the following cards at market value then?

[MW1]

Originally Posted by ergoism

What would you do if you were offered the following cards at market value then?

Why would I purchase a 1986 Topps Steve Young or an o/c "PSA 9" 1960 Topps Yastrzemski at market value?

[MattyC]

All those fake Mantles have the "crisp" focused Yankee logo. And preternaturally white borders. As was just said, gotta be VERY careful and picky with where we buy.

[bobbyw8469]

WOW! If those are all fakes, then I guess I am fooled.....some good looking cards, and I dont see the frosting at all...

[MW1]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

WOW! If those are all fakes, then I guess I am fooled.....some good looking cards, and I dont see the frosting at all...

Look at the right edge of the 1986 Topps Jerry Rice. That's the most obvious one.

[tiger8mush]

Are there examples of compromised Beckett slabs? I know their thick holders aren't as elegant as PSA/SGC, but they seem to excel at card protection and tamper resistance.