SGC Response concerning new labels

[2dueces]

Originally Posted by sebie43

We are not paying for that old man's lawn, we are however paying for that little piece of paper, if your objective is to troll I suggest you start a blog. its relatively easy

I wondered when the Troll word would enter. Because I disagree I became a troll? Priceless. I'm pretty well known in the community and troll isn't the word that describes my standing.
Now to the subject. I thought you were paying for the card?

[sebie43]

Originally Posted by 2dueces

I wondered when the Troll word would enter. Because I disagree I became a troll? Priceless. I'm pretty well known in the community and troll isn't the word that describes my standing.
Now to the subject. I thought you were paying for the card?

I trust you have a good standing and Im not knocking you at all. but on this particular thread it seems your intent is just to inflame.

Edited to add: I just saw the bottom of your post, so I indeed fell for it haha. I'll drop it at that, I dont really have a dog in the fight and will buy the cards anyways.

Sebastian Buentello

[nolemmings]

Now to the subject. I thought you were paying for the card?

No, Joe, you're paying to have a card you already own entombed in what you believe to be a secure, tamper-evident, non-destructive and aesthetically-pleasing display. How one values and weighs each of those attributes is of course subjective, but you are indeed paying for it.

This isn't about buying the card, not the holder. If you're happy with the card but hate the holder crack it open and keep it raw or slab it with someone else. But if you're a submitter, why shouldn't your opinion matter?

[2dueces]

Originally Posted by sebie43

I trust you have a good standing and Im not knocking you at all. but on this particular thread it seems your intent is just to inflame.

Sebastian

Sebastian, Honestly, not to inflame. Just to point out how inane this has become.

I'm going to say my peace. It is not directed to anyone. But it is what it is.

There are collectors that will buy cards from known felons that run auction houses because they have to have it. There are collectors that will buy altered cards just cause the grade is there. They will buy from auctions that are shilled cause of the obsession. They will buy these SGC cards in these flips and safely stash them in their collections. They may bitch, but they will buy. So all this ado is a mute point because nothing will stop them if they want it bad enough. And trust me, they do. And some of those collectors are here.
And they wanted SGC to consult with them first? Seriously?

Joe Brennan

[nolemmings]

Um yes, seriously.

[2dueces]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Um yes, seriously.

1,000 posts later they couldn't decide on a date and time for dinner. You think they'd agree on a flip?

[Peter_Spaeth]

LOL. Joe hope you are well.

[2dueces]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

LOL. Joe hope you are well.

[nolemmings]

First of all, there does seem to be a consensus on a flip here, but there's even more of a consensus on the fact that the current one is no good.

Second, if you want inane, compare your reference to a thread some years ago, among collectors of all types including Barry Sloate, who as I recall has little to no direct interest in graded cards, about the logistics of when and where to meet for dinner in NYC to this one about the manner in which a grading company conducts its business. That is inane.

We get your point, as inartfully and repetitively as it has been made. Feel free to keep poking-- I don't give twodeuces.

Originally Posted by 2dueces

Sebastian, Honestly, not to inflame. Just to point out how inane this has become.

I'm going to say my peace. It is not directed to anyone. But it is what it is.

There are collectors that will buy cards from known felons that run auction houses because they have to have it. There are collectors that will buy altered cards just cause the grade is there. They will buy from auctions that are shilled cause of the obsession. They will buy these SGC cards in these flips and safely stash them in their collections. They may bitch, but they will buy. So all this ado is a mute point because nothing will stop them if they want it bad enough. And trust me, they do. And some of those collectors are here.
And they wanted SGC to consult with them first? Seriously?

Joe Brennan

I could care less whether or not they consulted us if the design didn't suck so hard, but unfortunately it does. Again, I'm not sure why you continue to stir this pot when you clearly don't care. Why not just ignore the thread if you find the discussion "inane"?

Dan Hicks

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by 2dueces

Sebastian, Honestly, not to inflame. Just to point out how inane this has become.

I'm going to say my peace. It is not directed to anyone. But it is what it is.

There are collectors that will buy cards from known felons that run auction houses because they have to have it. There are collectors that will buy altered cards just cause the grade is there. They will buy from auctions that are shilled cause of the obsession. They will buy these SGC cards in these flips and safely stash them in their collections. They may bitch, but they will buy. So all this ado is a mute point because nothing will stop them if they want it bad enough. And trust me, they do. And some of those collectors are here.
And they wanted SGC to consult with them first? Seriously?

Joe Brennan

On point, sir!