SGC Response concerning new labels

[bobbyw8469]

The slabs the cards are in are just as important as say, 1993 Sport Kings (or whatever particular set you are working on). Together, the cards and the holders compliment each other. And let's say you are not finished. Do you really want to have half the set in different looking holders? As silly as you think this dilema is, this is a very real problem for card collectors.

[JohnP0621]

Hate the New SGC Holder . Love the New Version of "Yesterday".

JP

[gregr2]

Maybe they should have made a contest for the flip design. They could have set requirements, i.e it must have 4 lines, include SGC, etc. and had folks submit designs. Then take the top 3 designs and let people vote on their website. Winning design gets 10 free grades.

[MVSNYC]

Originally Posted by gregr2

Maybe they should have made a contest for the flip design. They could have set requirements, i.e it must have 4 lines, include SGC, etc. and had folks submit designs. Then take the top 3 designs and let people vote on their website. Winning design gets 10 free grades.

Jeez, the last time little lines were in such high demand was 1978 at Studio 54, and i don't mean the lines at the door.

[gregr2]

Originally Posted by mvsnyc

jeez, the last time little lines were in such high demand was 1978 at studio 54, and i don't mean the lines at the door.

lol

[MMarvelli]

Target has wrapped up internal studies and has determined that their target logo and color red is not necessary to convey the name of their store. It does nothing for their products or services, and it does not lower prices. It was an internal decision and they saw no need for a test market study. Joe G. had some good compromise ideas but Target just failed to listen. Target righteously determined you cant please everybody. The change will be implemented immediately.

Walmart loves their competitors’ choice and is keeping their blue branding. Starbuck’s is keeping their green.

Color matters.
Branding matters.
Customers matter.
Change is good.
Bad change is bad.

[Rich Klein]

I'll repeat what I have said on this thread on several occassions.

Looking at the new flip without the green border struck me as a bad flip for retail situations such as shows and stores. The proposed flip from SGC, on the first appearance looked (to me) as it belonged to a 2nd tier grading company (I used Pro and MGS, you can pick one of more than 100 for your choice)

The proposed green border would really help the card stand out in a competitive situation such as a show floor and help SGC keep it's idenity.

And I read the SGC statement as we had to make this change so we made this change and you alll can deal with it.

Rich

[2dueces]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

The slabs the cards are in are just as important as say, 1993 Sport Kings (or whatever particular set you are working on). Together, the cards and the holders compliment each other. And let's say you are not finished. Do you really want to have half the set in different looking holders? As silly as you think this dilema is, this is a very real problem for card collectors.

Bobby, As much as I respect your opinion this isn't a problem for card collectors. Seems to me it's a problem for flip collectors. I've been on this board 10 years and this thread is a close 2nd to the New York dinner thread in "does it really matter in the big picture?" points. Sorry, I don't see the big deal.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by 2dueces

Bobby, As much as I respect your opinion this isn't a problem for card collectors. Seems to me it's a problem for flip collectors. I've been on this board 10 years and this thread is a close 2nd to the New York dinner thread in "does it really matter in the big picture?" points. Sorry, I don't see the big deal.

I guess equate it to what would Jefferson Burdick do when we went to the New York museum of art and started cataloging his cards. Did he just randomly put them in books, or did he make sure everything was cataloged nice and neat? If you don't understand a card collector's wish to keep everything nice and orderly, then you don't understand all the full nuances of card collecting. And yes, there are different levels of card collecting. You can just buy cards and throw them in a shoebox and call yourself card collecting. You can also only buy PSA 8's and ignore anything high and anything lower. That is collecing too. But to dismiss the fact that a collector would want his labels to match is kinda short sighted on your part.

[2dueces]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I guess equate it to what would Jefferson Burdick do when we went to the New York museum of art and started cataloging his cards. Did he just randomly put them in books, or did he make sure everything was cataloged nice and neat? If you don't understand a card collector's wish to keep everything nice and orderly, then you don't understand all the full nuances of card collecting. And yes, there are different levels of card collecting. You can just buy cards and throw them in a shoebox and call yourself card collecting. You can also only buy PSA 8's and ignore anything high and anything lower. That is collecing too. But to dismiss the fact that a collector would want his labels to match is kinda short sighted on your part.

Sorry Bobby, I didn't realize the degree of the obsession. Actually I haven't been that obsessed about any thing since Farrah Fawcett's bathing suit poster came out.

[Rich Klein]

Asi I have said from the beginning of this discussion, the flip. on first glance, appears as if belonged to a 2nd rate company,

And, as a person who has attended tons of shows overs the years, those flips do not stand out the way you expect them to,

Perhaps. and PSA learned this when they first attempted to move to 1/2 grrades but had a near rebellion on their hands which was led by Jim Crandall (Davallilo on these boards) they had to wait and regroup and finally got those approved by a majority of their users.

Sometimes, especially when the real importance (grading the card correctly, preventing the gaskets from having the card move around) of the grading comapny is overlooked, this could have been made into a great PR move by SGC. you know, disclosing some prospective flips and bringing them to this board's attention would not have taken away any corporate secrets nor would it have hurt in way.

In favt, SGC would have been roundly cheered for its transprarency. And in today's world, that is a great PR help to have.

Regards
Rich

Originally Posted by 2dueces

Bobby, As much as I respect your opinion this isn't a problem for card collectors. Seems to me it's a problem for flip collectors. I've been on this board 10 years and this thread is a close 2nd to the New York dinner thread in "does it really matter in the big picture?" points. Sorry, I don't see the big deal.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but you do acknowledge you're in the minority though right?

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but you do acknowledge you're in the minority though right?

If I'm in the minority, I am in good company with some of the greatest collectors in the game.

On a serious note, the only nuance I have is wanting all my cards in a set to match. I don't want to have them in all different slabs. I want them to all be graded by one company, and I want the "flip" to match. That's it. Like someone stated earlier, maybe SGC is hoping to get rush of collectors wanting to get stuff in the new label. I can promise, I am not the only collector who feels this way.

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

If I'm in the minority, I am in good company with some of the greatest collectors in the game.

On a serious note, the only nuance I have is wanting all my cards in a set to match. I don't want to have them in all different slabs. I want them to all be graded by one company, and I want the "flip" to match. That's it. Like someone stated earlier, maybe SGC is hoping to get rush of collectors wanting to get stuff in the new label. I can promise, I am not the only collector who feels this way.

I agree with you, my comment about being in the minority was to 2dueces.

[Peter_Spaeth]

It's a LABEL.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's a LABEL.

And it doesn't look like the others in my set!! Tell me this - if your keyboard for your custom made HP computer craps out, would you want to get any old keyboard or would you want to get an HP keyboard to match the one that crapped out? Sure, any old keyboard will work, but what if you want it to match the monitor and the computer? You might not care, but don't fault those of us that do!

[2dueces]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but you do acknowledge you're in the minority though right?

Let me understand this whole flip-flap because since I'm in the minority and not yet a physiatrist, I'm a little slow. The majority of the board has it's panties in a twist because of a tiny piece of paper in a flip that has no value. It protects the card that you bought to look at. You bought the card right? The card? Ok. So I was unaware that the majority of board members suffers from the same serious case of OCD that Sheldon has. I apologize for not being more sympathic. I think we have too many lawyers on the board and not enough Health professionals.

BTW. Above post is all in fun and meant to try to get a rise out of the majority. But I still say, Just let it go.

Originally Posted by 2dueces

Let me understand this whole flip-flap because since I'm in the minority and not yet a physiatrist, I'm a little slow. The majority of the board has it's panties in a twist because of a tiny piece of paper in a flip that has no value. It protects the card that you bought to look at. You bought the card right? The card? Ok. So I was unaware that the majority of board members suffers from the same serious case of OCD that Sheldon has. I apologize for not being more sympathic. I think we have too many lawyers on the board and not enough Health professionals.

BTW. Above post is all in fun and meant to try to get a rise out of the majority. But I still say, Just let it go.

Since you don't seem to care, and that's fine, maybe you should take your own advice and let it go? Just a thought.

Dan Hicks

[2dueces]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

Since you don't seem to care, and that's fine, maybe you should take your own advice and let it go? Just a thought.

Nah. Having too much fun with the old guy telling me to get off his lawn.

[nolemmings]

I'm sad to say, both generally and in this instance, that I agree with Wonka. It's far more than the flips here. It's the failure to gauge or perhaps even seek customer input followed by a poor response that are of greater concern to me. I am really having a hard time believing this group can be a significant player in the industry for very long if it is being managed at this level. I won't even spend much time on the additional problems with this latest product "roll out", such as the pop report still lacking (no search by year function), cards once in the pop report now missing, message boards either down or disbanded, no mention of whether/how gasket issues and holder security are being examined, etc. It's just a growing lack of a professional presence that concerns me. I'm no big corporate fan--give me the little guy every time-- but there has to be a far better showing of how to run a business than I've seen here for me to have confidence going forward.

Originally Posted by 2dueces

Nah. Having too much fun with the old guy telling me to get off his lawn.

So your motivation is simply to annoy...now I get it. Knowing that I'll just ignore.

Dan Hicks