New SGC Look? - Page 4

jujudrum · #**151** 05-22-2014, 03:28 PM

At this moment, I like the old Flip better than the new one.
That being said, I haven't yet seen the new Flip in person.

I'm hoping that over time, the new design will grow on me.

In any event, regardless of the changes, SGC has my unconditional full support.

What is of primary importance to me is the world class grading expertise that the Company provides.

The Flip design is by comparison, is not much more than a footnote.

jbsports33 · #**152** 05-22-2014, 05:42 PM

SGC would just need to use the same color green for the border, the Photoshop examples are great - and there should be no reason why they could not add the border. I was going to get some cards graded this weekend at our local show. I will talk with SGC in person and see what they may have in mind. If they do not make a change I will just have to mix cards up that I sell with older holders and PSA and more ungraded cards. I have studied sales and changes with both companies for a few years. I had wanted to work with just one company for my website, which is one reason I have been holding back on buying too much. Now that my website is completed, I have started to think about just using SGC for cards and autos; this will make me think even more and will hold up sales and finishing my website with consistent product. I may as well go back to a mix of everything - very frustrating

Jimmy

the 'stache · #**153** 05-22-2014, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

I didn't take it that way. I took it that he was saying we should make our own decisions based on our own thoughts, and not follow what others say for the sake of following, but maybe I am under a false apprehension?

Leon, why must it be assumed that everybody that spoke out against the new SGC flip was "following the leader?"

I didn't read the whole "new SGC look" discussion before formulating my opinion. I saw the change. I thought it was ugly, and I stated my opinion. It just so happened that most everybody else who took the time to state their opinion felt the same waY I did.

When I buy a card, I consider only the card itself. Once I acquire the card, though, the flip and slab are very important. The SGC flip + slab combination that has been used up until now was, in my opinion, was the most attractive in the hobby...by far. Now they are changing it. Nobody has a problem with their changing it. We have a problem because what they are changing it to is far less appealing.

Republicaninmass · #**154** 05-22-2014, 05:48 PM

Besides the work around, anyone able to check their submissions?

Also, did they kill off their message boards?

jujudrum · #**155** 05-22-2014, 06:00 PM

Yes, You are able to see Your submissions.

the 'stache · #**156** 05-22-2014, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Besides the work around, anyone able to check their submissions?

Also, did they kill off their message boards?

Ted, I did a few searches for it last night, and couldn't find it. Maybe it's just not up yet, I don't know.

the 'stache · #**157** 05-22-2014, 06:04 PM

For the sake of comparison:

The old slab + flip:

The proposed flip:

The proposed flip if it had a green border:

JollyElm · #**158** 05-22-2014, 06:09 PM

Tell me that Ryan flip is just a mockup. No way in heckfire that is a NM/NM+ card!!!!!!

Blackie · #**159** 05-22-2014, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by the 'stache

For the sake of comparison:

The old slab + flip:

The proposed flip:

The proposed flip if it had a green border:

I chose the proposed flip with green border! Just saying

Blackie · #**160** 05-22-2014, 06:11 PM

And that is the ugliest SGC 92 Ryan I have ever seen ........lol.......you can tell its just for display.

#**161** 05-22-2014, 06:14 PM

Would someone please add a simple poll with examples of flip a) proposed new design and flip b) new design with green border? I'm on my phone and am not sure if I can post the examples shown above for exemplars.

DeanH3 · #**162** 05-22-2014, 06:32 PM

Had some fun playing around with flip designs. I'm far from an expert but I gave it a shot.

Kenny Cole · #**163** 05-22-2014, 06:33 PM

I vote top right

Blackie · #**164** 05-22-2014, 06:33 PM

Dean I like selection 1 alot

Kenny Cole · #**165** 05-22-2014, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by frankbmd

I'm sitting here in amazement at the irony of this thread and others.

Members chime in unison about the poor quality of the holders (any TPG) and rail on about fraudulent cards being placed in cracked holders and resold, holders (or gaskets) that don't hold the cards, or holders that are too thick or too thin.

Then the members in unison get all bent out of shape and chime in about a change in flips, whose sole purpose is to identify the card, certify its authenticity and assign an opinion regarding its condition.

And then when it comes to the cards themselves, members generally agree in unison and chime in with the Net54 mantra "Buy the card and not the holder".
If the holder and the flip are so (expletive deleted) important, more so than the card itself, isn't the mantra a bit hypocritical?

Furthermore these threads tend to promote behavior seen in lemmings with someone expressing their "personal" opinion (regarding the flip for example) and then the entire symphony orchestra feels compelled to respond in harmony.

Change is inevitable. Some will resist. Others will adapt. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but following a leader in lockstep didn't work in Jonestown for the Koolaid drinkers.

Be independent, my friends, and don't get swept away by the wave of a Net54 thread. Maybe everyone should design a flip they would be happy with and post it. Do you think we would agree on which one is the best? I respectfully think not.

To me, there is no issue about buy the card, not the slab, because I already have the card. The issue is, should I decide to send it in for grading, what the card I ALREADY HAVE is going to look like in the new slab and flip. If I think its going to look like shit, then I don't suppose I'm going to be as willing to send it in to be graded as I used to be. Its just that simple. It isn't a lemming thing, its a "I think my card is going to look like shit in that holder with that flip" thing. Pretty simple Frank.

The Nasty Nati · #**166** 05-22-2014, 06:52 PM

Dean I like top right. Although I would add their millions of SGC watermarks to it.

Personally I don't see the point of a watermark they have proposed. I mean really a watermark? It's 2014 it's not hard to forge a watermark, whereas at least PSA has a hologram going on in the back of their flip that is harder to forge than a bunch of watermarks.

Not trying to hate on SGC, they really are a great company. I'm just baffled by this move.

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Originally Posted by DeanH3

Had some fun playing around with flip designs. I'm far from an expert but I gave it a shot.

yanks4 · #**167** 05-22-2014, 07:23 PM

Just to go on record...I could live with the new flip but the forest green border is a must or I will be very disappointed......

MVSNYC · #**168** 05-22-2014, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Hey Mike
Did you see the new flip just posted above? It is anything but poorly done or 1990s, in my not so humble opinion. It looks very nice to me but would be even better with a green border. I am not OCD and don't care as much about the holders as I do the cards.....and realize it does matter more to many other collectors so am not pushing my thoughts on others. I am merely giving one opinion.

Hey Leon- it's fine for us to disagree...I'm a designer, and do have a pretty keen eye. the proposed (borderless) flip is not attractive. period. I cannot be convinced otherwise. SGC's customer service is top notch, and so is their grading...my comments are strictly about the new flip. adding a green border will help somewhat, but i stand by my comment that it looks very 1990's (see early CSA cards).

Pythonfactory · #**169** 05-23-2014, 01:45 AM

I'll throw in my two cents just in case SGC actually reads this.

The new, borderless flip looks like something I would print at home (i.e., cheap and unprofessional). I like how the original green border eases the stark contrast between the white label and black background. The bajillion SGC's on the new label aren't pretty either. I have a hard time believing that anyone with substantial graphic design experience could ever produce something so unappealing. In just a few minutes, members of this board have produced higher quality flips.

Also, I don't like the red for Authentic. Is green + Authentic not clear enough? I think the red is distracting and doesn't add any value.

I've asked a neutral third party who could careless about baseball cards and she ranks the flips accordingly (best to worst): old one, new one if it had a border, and new one without border.

I see the SGC holder's current appearance as a competitive advantage. I have no clue (even after reading the response from SGC) why they would mess with success. I'm sure there are some other aspects of their business that would be a much better investment of their time/money.

In summary: keep the old flip or go back to the drawing board with some new artists.

frankbmd · #**170** 05-23-2014, 05:19 AM

Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away
Then SGC changed their flip this way
Oh, I believe in yesterday

Suddenly, my cards seem half of what they used to be
No green borders on the flips I see
Oh, yesterday came suddenly

Why the flip had to go I don't know they wouldn't say
Did I say something wrong, now I long for yesterday

Yesterday, TPG was such an easy game to play
I liked S G C, not P S A
Oh, I believe in yesterday

Why the flip had to change I don't know they wouldn't say
Did I say something wrong, now I long for yesterday

Yesterday, TPG was such an easy game to play
I liked S G C, not P S A
Oh, I believe in yesterday
Mm mm mm mm mm mm mm

Peter_Spaeth · #**171** 05-23-2014, 06:39 AM

Lol.

bn2cardz · #**172** 05-23-2014, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pythonfactory

I'll throw in my two cents just in case SGC actually reads this.

The new, borderless flip looks like something I would print at home (i.e., cheap and unprofessional). I like how the original green border eases the stark contrast between the white label and black background. The bajillion SGC's on the new label aren't pretty either. .

Have you seen the original flip? You couldn't print that at home?

From what I understand the multiple SGC in the background isn't printed. It is a water mark (based on what Leon stated originally before posting the new flip). Since we couldn't see it in the scan it looks like they showed us what it essentially would look like when you can see it. I don't know what technology you have at home but the fact that you can print security water marks at home, but were unable to do a green border on a white box seems strange to me.

chernieto · #**173** 05-23-2014, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by bn2cardz

Have you seen the original flip? You couldn't print that at home?

From what I understand the multiple SGC in the background isn't printed. It is a water mark (based on what Leon stated originally before posting the new flip). Since we couldn't see it in the scan it looks like they showed us what it essentially would look like when you can see it. I don't know what technology you have at home but the fact that you can print security water marks at home, but were unable to do a green border on a white box seems strange to me.

What seems stranger to me was Sean's response that having the continuity of a green border, maintaining brand recognition and loyalty, would be "difficult and cluttered". I would think with all the talent and technology advance in the world in 2014 these issues could be resolved

Jewish-collector · #**174** 05-23-2014, 08:00 AM

I Only Smoke 4 the Cards · #**175** 05-23-2014, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away
Then SGC changed their flip this way
Oh, I believe in yesterday

Suddenly, my cards seem half of what they used to be
No green borders on the flips I see
Oh, yesterday came suddenly

Why the flip had to go I don't know they wouldn't say
Did I say something wrong, now I long for yesterday

Yesterday, TPG was such an easy game to play
I liked S G C, not P S A
Oh, I believe in yesterday

Why the flip had to change I don't know they wouldn't say
Did I say something wrong, now I long for yesterday

Yesterday, TPG was such an easy game to play
I liked S G C, not P S A
Oh, I believe in yesterday
Mm mm mm mm mm mm mm

Nicely done McCartney!

joeadcock · #**176** 05-23-2014, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jewish-collector

Ha Ha

nolemmings · #**177** 05-23-2014, 09:23 AM

I will give them some props for the red authentic label. I know some don't like it, but I think it helps someone presented with a stack or pile of cards to immediately sift out or hone in on the autographed cards. It draws the eye's attention, for sure.

dog*dirt · #**178** 05-23-2014, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by nolemmings

I will give them some props for the red authentic label. I know some don't like it, but I think it helps someone presented with a stack or pile of cards to immediately sift out or hone in on the autographed cards. It draws the eye's attention, for sure.

I also like the red as it will stand out as opposed to the current holders.

I Only Smoke 4 the Cards · #**179** 05-23-2014, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nolemmings

I will give them some props for the red authentic label. I know some don't like it, but I think it helps someone presented with a stack or pile of cards to immediately sift out or hone in on the autographed cards. It draws the eye's attention, for sure.

I agree but I would put a border around it also.

Paul S · #**180** 05-23-2014, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards

I agree but I would put a border around it also.

If you put a green border around a red authentic it will look like a xmas card.

Texxxx · #**181** 05-23-2014, 10:08 AM

Ill go on record saying that I could care less what it looks like. As long as it doesn't look like a 5 year old did it. I only care what the card looks like.

I Only Smoke 4 the Cards · #**182** 05-23-2014, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul S

If you put a green border around a red authentic it will look like a xmas card.

Hahaha I know. I was thinking the border would be red.

Peter_Spaeth · #**183** 05-23-2014, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Texxxx

Ill go on record saying that I could care less what it looks like. As long as it doesn't look like a 5 year old did it. I only care what the card looks like.

The initial pics did look that way, but the newer ones do not. I agree with you, it's no big deal and would have no effect at all on my decision to buy or submit a card.

CW · #**184** 05-23-2014, 01:43 PM

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