My whole collection gone

[Peter_Spaeth]

"As far as harassing PMs, I think if Leon threw everyone off who ever sent an inappropriate email/message, we would have a very small board."

I very much doubt this is true, judging by the type of people here. I would guess it's a lot closer to a relatively small fraction. I suppose it's a definitional thing, but if we are talking about graphic PMs like the one Jeff posted, again, I very much doubt most people have sent anything like that.

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

"As far as harassing PMs, I think if Leon threw everyone off who ever sent an inappropriate email/message, we would have a very small board."

I very much doubt this is true, judging by the type of people here. I would guess it's a lot closer to a relatively small fraction. I suppose it's a definitional thing, but if we are talking about graphic PMs like the one Jeff posted, again, I very much doubt most people have sent anything like that.

Peter- Im sorry man but I feel like he deserved it. He came at me the wrong way and went out of his way to attack me. Im not one to back down. Whether I said it through a pm or in person it still wouldve happened. If he wouldve came at me different and actually let me explain then it wouldve been a different story. he doesnt know me one bit and I wouldve been more than happy to talk to him one on one but he wanted to be a jerk. Im done addressing Jeff because its pointless. But the rest of you im apologizing to

[calvindog]

You're "manning up", you "don't back down." For such a tough guy, for such a manly man, you can't pay your bills and you hide behind your aunt's cancer and under your pregnant girlfriend's skirt. You know what being a man is? Honoring your promises and paying what you owe. Try it sometime.

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by calvindog

You're "manning up", you "don't back down." For such a tough guy, for such a manly man, you can't pay your bills and you hide behind your aunt's cancer and under your pregnant girlfriend's skirt. You know what being a man is? Honoring your promises and paying what you owe. Try it sometime.

P.s i do pay my bills but youre right about paying what i owe. And by the way my fiance looks very good in a skirt but i get your point

[Leon]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

P.s i do pay my bills but youre right about paying what i owe. And by the way my fiance looks very good in a skirt but i get your point

He has all valid points.....

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by Leon

He has all valid points.....

He does but the way he went about it was why i said what i said to him in a pm

[Jaybird]

Joey, it's necessary for people to be called out in public on a forum and not personally in a PM. The reason is that the lies can't hide behind a personal conversation. I applaud Jeff for bringing your actions to light. I have an ebay account and I have now blocked you from bidding. It is personal. You can't keep affecting others and say "it's nothing personal". Sorry. Doesn't work that way.

On this forum and other forums, problems are brought to the group and solved on a group level in a way that couldn't have happened in a one on one conversation. This is true for good hobby moments like figuring out a new card set or face in a crowd and shitty hobby moments like you and your situation.

It's not my call but having you on the board is probably adding to your problems rather than helping them. I see no reason why talking about something you obsess over is good for you. You come on here, talk about photos and then go on ebay and hit BIN and don't pay for them. Seems like a bad combo to me.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

He does but the way he went about it was why i said what i said to him in a pm

So, to clarify, Jeff made all valid points, but because he made those points in a way that you did not like, you felt justified in attacking him via PM, and then apologizing (twice) to everyone on the board EXCEPT Jeff?

A few thoughts :

1 - It seems to me that if apologies were given out in the order in which they were deserved, Jeff would be way up towards the top.

2 - As for dead and dying relatives, we all either have, or will have, those so they garner no sympathy from me when it comes to bills being paid, or not paid, as the case may be.

3 - In regards to pregnant fiances, I shudder to think what kind of child will be raised in household where dad causes this much drama on a baseball card blog.

4 - Pay any money that you owe. Stop buying more stuff. Start a college fund for your kid. Don't tell me that (what's left of) your collection is the college fund, put money in a bank, there is no risk of it being stolen by the neighbors, or anybody else.

5 - Get off the blogs and start being an adult.

Just my thoughts, I could be wrong, insert smiley face here,
Doug

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

P.s i do pay my bills but youre right about paying what i owe. And by the way my fiance looks very good in a skirt but i get your point

So you paid all the people you stiffed on eBay this year? Did you pay Leon for the auction item of his you won and didn't pay for? And you "do pay [your] bills" but not "pay[] what [you] owe?" Do you not understand those concepts are one in the same?

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

"As far as harassing PMs, I think if Leon threw everyone off who ever sent an inappropriate email/message, we would have a very small board."

I very much doubt this is true, judging by the type of people here. I would guess it's a lot closer to a relatively small fraction. I suppose it's a definitional thing, but if we are talking about graphic PMs like the one Jeff posted, again, I very much doubt most people have sent anything like that.

You are more than likely correct, but there have been some pretty visible arguments here that got very very personal, both on the public board and in PM from what was reported. From what I can tell, very few of those people were ever kicked off.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

You are more than likely correct, but there have been some pretty visible arguments here that got very very personal, both on the public board and in PM from what was reported. From what I can tell, very few of those people were ever kicked off.

Did any of those people also have 20 eBay IDs and defraud the owner of Net 54?

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Did any of those people also have 20 eBay IDs and defraud the owner of Net 54?

Don't know, but some pretty nasty stuff was exchanged.
Edit: Despite those episodes, I'm glad those people weren't kicked off the board as they were and continue to be valuable contributors to the board.

As I said, it's Leon prerogative to ban/suspend/reprimand as he sees fit, as this is his board. If I were defrauded, I would certainly feel the person should be banned, so I understand where those people are coming from. Perhaps I am just lucky in that my experience has been different.

[calvindog]

I've obviously always felt different about fraud in the hobby. Whether I was the one being defrauded is not the determining factor for me in determining to stand up against the fraudster; instead it was whether anyone in the hobby was defrauded.

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I've obviously always felt different about fraud in the hobby. Whether I was the one being defrauded is not the determining factor for me in determining to stand up against the fraudster; instead it was whether anyone in the hobby was defrauded.

Jeff,
Please understand that I am not defending his behavior. Obviously, defrauding anyone is wrong. I am merely saying that I would not be against his continuing to be on the board without BST privleges. If Leon decides otherwise, I would understand and support his decision as well.

[JoeyF1981]

Leon- no problem at all. I will leave it alone.

[Leon]

This isn't a black and white issue. As always, my goal is to continue to allow members on the board as much as possible but also have a safe environment, especially in the transaction areas. It has always been that way as long as I have been moderating. That being said, I prefer members not harass other members in PMs.

Joey- please don't PM Jeff anymore and he won't PM you.


I don't remember being defrauded by Joey. I won't go into specifics but there was one auction issue and it wasn't a big deal. It solidified my position/thinking though....

That's about all I have to say for now.....thanks

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

You are more than likely correct, but there have been some pretty visible arguments here that got very very personal, both on the public board and in PM from what was reported. From what I can tell, very few of those people were ever kicked off.

Will 'ignore' block PM contact? If so, I don't see the problem with PM verbiage that goes beyond what's acceptable in the forum. If it results in the recipient putting you on ignore, you've probably ended up with the correct result.