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[frankbmd]

Isn't anyone concerned about the shaving cream on his chest?

[jbsports33]

I agree with Adam, done a lot of deals with Gary over the years - he does not do a lot of grading unless the card is already done for him, and that issue can be tricky

Keep trying to contact him and I am sure this will get taken care off, I am sure he is unaware you are even posting this

Jimmy

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Isn't anyone concerned about the shaving cream on his chest?

I saw that too Frank-- big blotch of paper loss/oatmeal on his chest that is not in the description either and someone is worried about the failure to disclose obvious trimming? Hardly seems like seller is trying to pull a fast one here, IMO.

[D. Bergin]

I don't know guys, there's a big picture right there of the front and the back of the card. Not sure what the issue is here. Only thing that should be important once you see the card is whether it's Authentic or not. It's obviously a beater.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

I don't know guys, there's a big picture right there of the front and the back of the card. Not sure what the issue is here. Only thing that should be important once you see the card is whether it's Authentic or not. It's obviously a beater.

Sure thing...and this response he gave to the OP is fine too?

"He avoided the answer and just said it was in bad shape, when I pushed, he said he didn't know and to bid at your own risk."

Yeah, obviously a great seller.

[th38larg]

Speaking from my own experience, I've bought a number of things from the seller and have always been satisfied. He has good stuff at good prices, he mails quick, provides good pictures, etc. This dust-up is not indicative of how he typically works IMHO.

[1880nonsports]

buying and selling for nearly 15 years and it's always been on the up and up. I don't know about the email exchange relative to the OP's inquiry. I will say that Gary is a bit lax/lazy about his eBay listings - something I see more and more with sellers putting the onus on THE BUYER by posting a pic or two and saying the picture is part of the description when it is the ONLY description. LAZY. Hate it whether there are returns or appologies. Maybe something was said in the email exchange - something rubbed one of the parties the wrong way - I can't say. That the card is imperfect however - is easy to see. To me it's a weakness related to selling strategy and practice on the seller's part but obviously he wasn't trying to be deceptive.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

I saw that too Frank-- big blotch of paper loss/oatmeal on his chest that is not in the description either and someone is worried about the failure to disclose obvious trimming? Hardly seems like seller is trying to pull a fast one here, IMO.

Not pulling a fast one but too careless, imo. The lack of disclosing the trimming, as an oversight as it may be, is still very careless. So the fact he made 2 mistakes instead of 1 makes it ok, right Todd?

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Leon

Not pulling a fast one but too careless, imo. The lack of disclosing the trimming, as an oversight as it may be, is still very careless. So the fact he made 2 mistakes instead of 1 makes it ok, right Todd?

I think he disclosed the trimming by showing two great big pictures of the card in the description.

Maybe I'm more forgiving because I remember the pre-internet days of SCD, and no pictures of cards, relying just on a written description, and ordering a VG/EX 1958 Mickey Mantle from a dealer when I was in high school, and having it show up in the mail, looking like that Attell card.

[nolemmings]

Hi Leon,

I'm not going to pound very hard on a guy for failing to disclose paper loss that is plain as can be, and that is far more distracting than what is an obvious trim job also. I suppose if he were to outright deny it if asked I would be steamed, same if he outright denied the trim. Was it careless to not mention these things in the description? Maybe, even though again they are obvious, it would be nice to have such flaws noted. Is it worse that he did not admit it when asked? Sure. Still, I would still not turn my back on this seller or consider him shady based on what happened with this one card is all. I agree with glynnparson on this and wanted to add that the paper loss makes it even less of a big deal in my view.