An ebay seller issue.....

[the 'stache]

The text on the back of this card is between Brown and Black in color. Because of the way this card was printed, the text on back, while not entirely Brown, is more Brown than most of the typical Black Old Mill cards you will encounter. In addition to the Brown/Black color, because all known Brown Old Mill backs are hand-cut and this card is factory cut, it cannot be considered a Brown Old Mill. Nevertheless, it is an interesting curiosity at a fraction of what a true Brown Old Mill will cost.

Really?

[JasonD08]

I have had the utmost professional experience from this seller. Mario, your post makes no sense to me when you say the "buyer" backed out of the deal. Were you the buyer? I would also go out on a limb and say they have far more knowledge in vintage sportscards than all of the posters on this thread combined. I am not in any way affiliated but will say I have done business for many years......well before this board blew up and say that I have never had a negative experience. If you do not like the prices then just move on down the road. Sounds like a case of sore ass spoiled child syndrome to me.

Jason

[ALR-bishop]

I have purchased some 52 Topps from them in years past without a problem. I also was not sure I completely followed what the OP said had happened.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I have purchased some 52 Topps from them in years past without a problem. I also was not sure I completely followed what the OP said had happened.

I think he meant to say the seller, not the buyer, backed away?

[bobbyw8469]

I would also go out on a limb and say they have far more knowledge in vintage sportscards than all of the posters on this thread combined.

If you mean in terms of ripping people a new one, then yes, you are probably right!

[JasonD08]

Bobby


How can you "rip" people a new one when they have to hit the purchase button. You make no sense in your statement. Are you eluding that they sell altered, reprint items, or just take money and do not deliver product? To me those fall into the perimeters of "ripping" off. Please elaborate.

Jason

[vintagetoppsguy]

Give the OP a break. To say his entire post makes no sense is ridiculous. He transposed one word. Replace the word "buyer" with the word "seller" and his post makes perfect sense.

That said, there are always 2 sides to every story. I'm sure the other two involved will tell their side as they are board members.

However, if it happened as the way the OP described - raising the price after it was already agreed upon - then that is pretty crappy.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by JasonD08

Bobby
You make no sense in your statement. Are you eluding that they sell altered, reprint items, or just take money and do not deliver product?
Jason

The irony here is palpable.


I have never dealt with the seller in question, so I have no vested interest one way or another. But it is my opinion that they are purposely misleading potential buyers on the Old Mill-backed T206 card, and that makes a very bad first impression, indeed. And if it is true that they have "far more knowledge about vintage sportscards than all the posters in this thread combined", they should really be ashamed of themselves.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

If you mean in terms of ripping people a new one, then yes, you are probably right!

LOL what does this mean? Like a Bill Mastro type tirade when a collector wouldn't sell him the cards he wanted at the low-ball price he was offering?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by JasonD08

I have had the utmost professional experience from this seller.

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I would also go out on a limb and say they have far more knowledge in vintage sportscards than all of the posters on this thread combined. I am not in any way affiliated but will say I have done business for many years......well before this board blew up and say that I have never had a negative experience.

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Jason

I agree with the above that you posted. If I had to create a list of honest, pleasant sellers over the last ten years, Irishhosta would definitely make the list.

And Jason, Irishhosta has no reason whatsoever to respond to this thread. A proven, honest seller ignoring ridiculous public assertions is not an indication of guilt.

[MattyC]

Seems the OP is alluding to a deal in which a seller backed out. Or something along those parameters.

[chernieto]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I agree with the above that you posted. If I had to create a list of honest, pleasant sellers over the last ten years, Irishhosta would definitely make the list.

And Jason, Irishhosta has no reason whatsoever to respond to this thread. A proven, honest seller ignoring ridiculous public assertions is not an indication of guilt.

I love how you know exactly who is making "ridiculous public assertions". Just because your personal experience & putting the seller on your nice list doesn't make you the judge and jury. You obviously have your opinion and seem to have great difficulty in accepting the fact other people have other opinions than your own without attacking them.
I have no idea if they are honest or not but at a glance their prices on T206's seem absurd to me.
& Mario, good luck on collecting. My only advice to you is lay off those Cheetos-

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by chernieto

I love how you know exactly who is making "ridiculous public assertions". Just because your personal experience & putting the seller on your nice list doesn't make you the judge and jury. You obviously have your opinion and seem to have great difficulty in accepting the fact other people have other opinions than your own without attacking them.
I have no idea if they are honest or not but at a glance their prices on T206's seem absurd to me.
& Mario, good luck on collecting. My only advice to you is lay off those Cheetos-

Paul,

nevermind.

[Andretti83]

Originally Posted by JasonD08

I have had the utmost professional experience from this seller. Mario, your post makes no sense to me when you say the "buyer" backed out of the deal. Were you the buyer? I would also go out on a limb and say they have far more knowledge in vintage sportscards than all of the posters on this thread combined. I am not in any way affiliated but will say I have done business for many years......well before this board blew up and say that I have never had a negative experience. If you do not like the prices then just move on down the road. Sounds like a case of sore ass spoiled child syndrome to me.

Jason

Thanks Jason for the comment, "Sounds like a case of sore ass spoiled child syndrome to me." You clearly do not know me, but I would appreciate an attempt to get to know you before making a remark of that magnitude. Respectfully submitted, Mario Borgerding

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[glchen]

Originally Posted by Andretti83

Thanks Jason for the comment, "Sounds like a case of sore ass spoiled child syndrome to me." You clearly do not know me, but I would appreciate an attempt to get to know you before making a remark of that magnitude. Respectfully submitted, Mario

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Don't sweat it, Mario. It looks like Jason and the Wentz family are buddies with these kinds of comments. When people drop down to name calling and other similar insults, that's usually when they don't really having any backing behind their arguments and are trying to divert the thread elsewhere. If irishhosta did back out of an agreed deal and then up the BIN price, that's a very poor business practice and bad customer service.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by glchen

Don't sweat it, Mario. It looks like Jason and the Wentz family are buddies with these kinds of comments. When people drop down to name calling and other similar insults, that's usually when they don't really having any backing behind their arguments and are trying to divert the thread elsewhere. If irishhosta did back out of an agreed deal and then up the BIN price, that's a very poor business practice and bad customer service.

What is wrong with being buddies with the Wentz family?

[Andretti83]

Originally Posted by Runscott

What is wrong with being buddies with the Wentz family?

Absolutely nothing, in fact I would consider doing business with them in the future. I'm simply asking them to 'honor' a price we had agreed to.

Unfortunately for buyer and seller, there was a misinterpretation of the negotiated selling price and concerns have been voiced here. I have NO issues with their customer service or contact emails.

Mario Borgerding

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[Cardboard Junkie]

Sweet deal on that "brown" Old Mill, ain't it?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Andretti83

Absolutely nothing, in fact I would consider doing business with them in the future. I'm simply asking them to 'honor' a price we had agreed to.

Unfortunately for buyer and seller, there was a misinterpretation of the negotiated selling price and concerns have been voiced here. I have NO issues with their customer service or contact emails.

Mario Borgerding

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I understand your position. I was responding to Gary's post regarding the Wentz family. Defending a well-respected seller who we've had great transactions with for over a decade, seems both reasonable and appropriate.

Not knocking you for posting publicly your side of the story - many forum members think that resolving transaction issues by using pressure from the forum, is the best approach to doing business. I used to sometimes publicly out forum members who backed out on deals, either as sellers or buyers, but it's not effective - their enemies will jump in to attack them, as is happening in this thread, and their friends will jump in and attack me. Ends up being a lose-lose for everyone involved, and as far as the transaction is concerned, nothing changes.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by Runscott

What is wrong with being buddies with the Wentz family?

Scott, there is nothing wrong with being buddies or defending Irishhosta. However, there is a problem with name calling and below the belt insults. It only makes the one being defended look worse.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by glchen

Scott, there is nothing wrong with being buddies or defending Irishhosta. However, there is a problem with name calling and below the belt insults. It only makes the one being defended look worse.

Good, as I consider myself buddies with the Wentz family as well, even though anyone other than Irishhosta is irrelevant to this discussion.

I also agree with you that name-calling and below the belt insults are inappropriate.

And finally, I'm sure you agree with me that there are two sides to every story, and that we are probably missing some details. I sincerely hope that the OP and Irishhosta manage to work this out in the background.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by glchen

Scott, there is nothing wrong with being buddies or defending Irishhosta. However, there is a problem with name calling and below the belt insults. It only makes the one being defended look worse.

+1

On a separate note: I would also be very offended if a seller backed out of a previously agreed upon price. Sellers should honor their commitments and it seems as though this one did not.