Genesis of an Old Judge Team Change

[Joe_G.]

John, is this maybe the card you are referring to? I recently picked it up and didn't think much of it since it isn't a Detroit card

[oldjudge]

Is that card a joke? It pictures McGreachery, but Goodwin has called him White. Perhaps because he was very pale. Either that, or White is real a contraction of "Why" + "T", as in "Why does he drink tea, instead of beer?"

[sreader3]

I just wanted to note that there are two differences between the middle and right Klusman cards in Jay's original post.

The first difference, which has been noted, is that the middle card includes the handwritten "DENVER" team caption with the backward "N" whereas the right card includes the typed "Denvers" team caption in script.

But a second difference is that in the middle card the "MILWAUKEE" team name remains clear on Klusman's uniform whereas in the right card an imperfect attempt has been made to redact this team name with a solid black block overlay.

Here are a few other Denver OJs that exhibit the same phenomenon. The ones in the SGC holders are "Type 3s" (final version: Denvers in typed script, Milwaukee redacted) whereas the one in the PSA holder is a "Type 2" (interim version: handwritten DENVER with backwards N, Milwaukee remains clear).

[oldjudge]

Great observation Scot. BTW, according to the 1890 Reach guide, Klusman played for three teams in the WA, first Milwaukee, then Des Moines, and then finally Denver. It makes sense that Milwaukee was the first since that was the uniform that he was photographed in. What this also says is that, unless Goodwin missed or ignored the Des Moines move, that there may be a Des Moines card lurking out there. It also raises the slim possibility that the handwritten Denver refers to the WA team and the typeset Denvers to the Solis. However, I would doubt that this is the case.

[sreader3]

Thanks Jay. And I would be remiss if I didn't point out that you were the one who sold the above SGC 84 Klusman Type 3 to me at a reasonable price a few years back when I was starting a Denvers collection.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by sreader3

Thanks Jay. And I would be remiss if I didn't point out that you were the one who sold the above SGC 84 Klusman Type 3 to me at a reasonable price a few years back when I was starting a Denvers collection.

That is a great looking card.

[sreader3]

Thanks Leon.

A final note is that the Klusman Denvers that was recently sold on the BST, see

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=190036

is a Type 2. The differences with the Type 3 that I acquired from Jay are easily noted and consistent with the above discussion.