The State of Topps?

[steve B]

Originally Posted by JBird

You forgot
19.Topps mini
20.Topps stickers
21.Topps cubes
22.Topps Finest
23.Bowman sterling
24.Bowman inception
25.Bowman Platinum
26.BowmanBowman Draft Picks and Prospects
27. Topps Five Star
Hmm what else. There also in the past 3 years been
Topps lineage
Topps marquee



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And we all forgot the team sets. Not sure If they should count as one set or several.

And the redemption sets you get for saving points or whatever from the code cards in the regular set. Are they inserts or a different set?

I do have a hard time expanding the list by including every one-off from the last few years. Lineage was a one time only. Qubi and chipz probably are too.

So I checked online for sets in general. The list at cardboard connection seems inclusive enough for 2013

Topps
------------------------ 30! more than I'd thought. 26 if you leave out the non-card and non-us issues.
Bowman
Bowman chrome
Bowman chrome mini
Bowman draft picks
Bowman inception
Bowman platinum
Bowman sterling
A+G
Archives
Big leagues minis - figures
Chrome
Finest
five star
Gypsy Queen
Heritage
heritage minors
Mini
Chipz
stickers
Museum
opening day
Pro debut
Qubi - rubber stamps
Topps
Supreme - Asia only
Tribute
Tribute WBC
triple threads
Turkey red

Team sets - Not listed, but I'd count them as a different set.

Panini
------------ 12
Americas pastime
Cooperstown
Elite extra edition
Golden age
Hometown heroes
Prizm
Prizm perennial draft picks
Usa baseball box set
Usa baseball champions
Pinnacle
Select
Triple play

Unknown or independent.
--------------------------- 15 - Most are buyback repackagings, but it's not clear if they include any cards other than buybacks, leaf seems to.

Leaf best ofbaseball
Leaf cut signature pride of the pinstripes
Leaf Ichiro immortals collection
Leaf Just vault
Leaf Memories
Leaf Metal draft
Leaf Perfect game
Leaf power showcase
Leaf trinity


Onyx authenticated platinum prospects 1
Onyx authenticated platinum prospects 2

Pastime collection enshrined
Pastime collection milestones

Superbox rookies and phenoms
Superbox series 2

So maybe as many as 57 sets.

The big difference is that many of them are actually quite limited. some of the Topps sets are online only and as far as I know sell out almost right away.

My perception is that the overall market for cards is smaller than it was in 1990, and that the high end stuff gets absorbed very quickly.
At the retail level, I suspect that order quantities are down. I mostly buy the bigger packs or blaster boxes, and the insert ratios stated seem inaccurate. Especially for packs bought late in the sell through. The last batch Of GQ I got had one red and two black minis out of 14 packs compared to stated odds of 1:9 and 1:12 That seems typical for later packs, but it's still early. I'd think the odds are based on the expected orders and they use up the inserts on what the actual orders are without changing the odds.

Steve B

[steve B]

Well, talk about a thread for being wrong!

I tried a couple packs of Donruss today.

Actually a nice looking set. The preview made it look more "archives" with a mix of different designs, but it's very consistent. Fronts sort of like 87, but white borders and square frames. Backs like 88. The inserts were also slight changes to older issues, One was like 88, another like the 85 action all-stars.

And to top it off right next to them on the shelf was..............2014 chipz.

I thought for sure those wouldn't be back. Not that I mind, I like them and they've made the set more complicated.

Steve B