Those Ramlys in REA Auction

[glchen]

One of the things I saw from the REA description is that the cards were sheet cut by Frank Nagy, who I believe is still well respected in the hobby. Why does he get a pass for this, and Mastro and PSA do not for the T206 Wagner? Is it simply because the Wagner is THE iconic card in the hobby?

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by glchen

One of the things I saw from the REA description is that the cards were sheet cut by Frank Nagy, who I believe is still well respected in the hobby. Why does he get a pass for this, and Mastro and PSA do not for the T206 Wagner? Is it simply because the Wagner is THE iconic card in the hobby?

Partly because the Wagner is the most iconic card in the hobby as you said and partly because Mastro and the rest of his crew of criminals lied about it for so long.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by glchen

One of the things I saw from the REA description is that the cards were sheet cut by Frank Nagy, who I believe is still well respected in the hobby. Why does he get a pass for this, and Mastro and PSA do not for the T206 Wagner? Is it simply because the Wagner is THE iconic card in the hobby?

Nagy did not cut them to deceive, Mastro allegedly did.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Nagy did not cut them to deceive, Mastro allegedly did.

It's not allegedly anymore, Bill finally told the truth after 10000 lies once he needed to save himself some jail time.

[drcy]

As far as the Ramleys go, the reason why 105 year old cards have condition sensitive edges and corners is because of the 105 years of exposure. Remove 65 years of exposure and of course they're going to be easier to find in high grade. That alone would explain why a lengthy difference between the dates of the cuts could create a valuation difference between cards in the same grade.

The reason why the Gretzky 1909 T206 Wagner has such sharp corners and clean edges is because they weren't cut in 1909.

[GregMitch34]

But the Ramlys at REA--I presumed the mints and Gems were the ones cut from sheet, and the 6.5s and 7s were from same guy's collection but not cut, just regular (nice) cards. True?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by GregMitch34

But the Ramlys at REA--I presumed the mints and Gems were the ones cut from sheet, and the 6.5s and 7s were from same guy's collection but not cut, just regular (nice) cards. True?

That is my understanding from guys that live and breathe Ramly....

[Rich Klein]

As for Nagy, one thing to remember, his National tables were actually run for many years by .... Rob Lifson and Bill Mastro.

Just an FYI

Rich

[glchen]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Nagy did not cut them to deceive, Mastro allegedly did.

Why did Nagy cut the only known Ramly sheet in the first place? Were uncut sheets not considered special in the hobby during that time?