Bye

[Peter_Spaeth]

OK I will stick my head on the chopping block, as awful as the circumstances of this are and I am sure we all empathize, if someone posts on a baseball card message board that he is considering selling some nice cards because he needs money and as to at least one indicating he definitely is selling, then I don't see how merely conveying an interest or making a polite inquiry is "predatory." I had assumed people were conveying lowball offers which would have been disgusting. But that doesn't seem to be the case, and indeed it seems nobody made an offer at all.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

OK I will stick my head on the chopping block, as awful as the circumstances of this are and I am sure we all empathize, if someone posts on a baseball card message board that he is considering selling some nice cards because he needs money and as to at least one indicating he definitely is selling, then I don't see how merely conveying an interest or making a polite inquiry is "predatory." I had assumed people were conveying lowball offers which would have been disgusting. But that doesn't seem to be the case, and indeed it seems nobody made an offer at all.

I think it went beyond conveying an interest or making a polite inquiry. From the OPs statement, it sounds like someone made him an offer on the Clemente and when he OP wasn't quick enough to respond, that someone sent him a PM and told him that he cost him a $15K sale as if it were the OPs fault. That's pretty crappy.

At least that's what I infer from his post:

"Leon's first post is correct. I had some bad PM's. Cherry picking my collection. sean 1125-no not you. The bad out numbered the good at one point. One day I did not read the board. Someone offered me to sell the Clemente. I was at my Mom's sorting out insurance policies. Driving her to Social Security office. Finally I get back on and see a PM that this dealer told me I cost him a $15,000 sale because he wanted to buy my Clemente. Sorry-I'm now pissed. Dad is dead. Mom is a nervous wreck, I am unemployed, and this is what you have to say to me?
On the other had, I had many posts to me of condolences. If I share the bad, I must share the great. One of the members had offered to take my family of 4 to dinner. Now, that is a class act. I had to decline as i do not want my issues to burden someone else. I apprecited his act of kindness, and we shared a few PM. Leon knows who he is.
I will continue to be a member. Why? Because - as I told Leon today in a PM- I will ignore the bad PM I get and continue to enjoy this board.
My replies to my "BYE" posting gave me a better insight. Thank you all."

[Peter_Spaeth]

David you have to read. He said:

To reiterate- I did not get an offer on anything. (post 29 last line)

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

David you have to read. He said:

To reiterate- I did not get an offer on anything. (post 29 last line)

Peter,

You're right but, for whatever reason, someone did tell him they cost them a $15,000 sale. Maybe they didn't make an offer and only inquired about the card, but that was still a crappy thing to say considering all the other stuff going on in his life.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Peter,

You're right but, for whatever reason, someone did tell him they cost them a $15,000 sale. Maybe they didn't make an offer and only inquired about the card, but that was still a crappy thing to say considering all the other stuff going on in his life.

Exactly.

to Peter- If there is any confusion, I was the one that might have first inferred it was some predatory PMs because that is the type of behavior it seemed like, especially given the circumstances. Maybe another word would have been better used, but it's still the general connotation, if not technically correct.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Peter,

You're right but, for whatever reason, someone did tell him they cost them a $15,000 sale. Maybe they didn't make an offer and only inquired about the card, but that was still a crappy thing to say considering all the other stuff going on in his life.

Yes I was not defending that, only what I inferred was probably the general nature of most of the PMs.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

OK I will stick my head on the chopping block, as awful as the circumstances of this are and I am sure we all empathize, if someone posts on a baseball card message board that he is considering selling some nice cards because he needs money and as to at least one indicating he definitely is selling, then I don't see how merely conveying an interest or making a polite inquiry is "predatory." I had assumed people were conveying lowball offers which would have been disgusting. But that doesn't seem to be the case, and indeed it seems nobody made an offer at all.

I wanted to make an offer (or help in any way I could), he just said he needed time and I did not hear back again.

I am still willing to make an offer or help in any way I can (Tom, I can offer you insight - it is to your benefit to at least contact me).

Sean

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

I am still willing to make an offer or help in any way I can (Tom, I can offer you insight - it is to your benefit to at least contact me).

Sean

Well thank goodness for that Tom at least Sean is still willing to make you an offer and give you insight.....so I guess you have that going for you huh?

I'm with Peter I don't see the big deal he got offers and may have even gotten low ball offers welcome to the hobby...I would just let it roll off your shoulders Tom and keep enjoying what you can of the hobby. Hope all works out for you in the end. Always hate to see folks having bad times.

Cheers,

John

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Well thank goodness for that Tom at least Sean is still willing to make you an offer and give you insight.....so I guess you have that going for you huh?

I'm with Peter I don't see the big deal he got offers and may have even gotten low ball offers welcome to the hobby...I would just let it roll off your shoulders Tom and keep enjoying what you can of the hobby. Hope all works out for you in the end. Always hate to see folks having bad times.

Cheers,

John

Hi John,
I usually agree with you but I am going to respectfully disagree with part of this. I suppose it is alright to make low ball offers, but there is a time and a place for everything. It wouldn't be good form to show up at a funeral and ask the grieving widow what she will be doing with her husband's collection. A decent human being would see that Tom is going through a very difficult time, and might look for a more tactful way to approach him. It's just a matter of good common sense, I guess.

But the guy who was angry because he lost out on a 15K deal is nothing more than hobby pond scum. Who told him he was going to get the card? He never even communicated with Tom. No way to justify that one. You can't write off every rude yahoo and say it's just business.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Hi John,
I usually agree with you but I am going to respectfully disagree with part of this. I suppose it is alright to make low ball offers, but there is a time and a place for everything. It wouldn't be good form to show up at a funeral and ask the grieving widow what she will be doing with her husband's collection. A decent human being would see that Tom is going through a very difficult time, and might look for a more tactful way to approach him. It's just a matter of good common sense, I guess.

But the guy who was angry because he lost out on a 15K deal is nothing more than hobby pond scum. Who told him he was going to get the card? He never even communicated with Tom. No way to justify that one. You can't write off every rude yahoo and say it's just business.

+1

[ethicsprof]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

OK I will stick my head on the chopping block, as awful as the circumstances of this are and I am sure we all empathize, if someone posts on a baseball card message board that he is considering selling some nice cards because he needs money and as to at least one indicating he definitely is selling, then I don't see how merely conveying an interest or making a polite inquiry is "predatory." I had assumed people were conveying lowball offers which would have been disgusting. But that doesn't seem to be the case, and indeed it seems nobody made an offer at all.

"...and I am sure we all empathize..."
Your very optimistic anthropology surprises me. Perhaps, I need to pick
up Erik Fromm or you need to pick up Thomas Hobbes---or perhaps both choices are good. I would hope that you are simply referring to the few who
have shown empathy on this thread.
Ps thanks, daryl, for the kind words.
Let me also add that I am pleased that Tom is staying.

all the best, ole buddy
Barry

[Peter_Spaeth]

Barry, I think you are being cynical here. Just because people don't post on threads where people recount unfortunate events doesn't mean they don't feel compassion for the poster. I think most people probably just feel that they don't have anything unique to add to what's already been said and so stay silent.

[ethicsprof]

No cynicism here, Peter. Empathy is a rare and precious 'attribute' of us human
beings. There are certainly proclivities of the self in that direction but often
require much nurturance and practices to effectuate reality in real circumstances. Peter, I suspect it is time to agree to disagree and not take this
thread too far down the philosophical and linguistic highway. Certainly,
offline at some point might well be quite interesting and refreshing.

all the best, ole buddy
barry