Wrong auction listings (Brooklyn Dodgers hats)

[accidental]

Thanks for your messages.

Yes, the Seaver hat certainly has more credible provenance than both the Dodgers hats, plus it becomes much more difficult to date KM hats in the 60s and 70s.
I also think that the Hodges hat in the Goldin auction is most likely the real deal. It's just not from 1957 and for me that makes a huge difference and it may also make a difference for a potential buyer.

I do have all the proper evidence to prove what I'm saying of course, but I'm simply unwilling to share it publically, as it took a lot of time, effort and money to acquire it.

I have no interest in these auctions whatsoever, I'm really just tired of seeing things listed as something they are not, when all it takes is a little effort and diligent research. There are in my opinion however, some telltale signs that any authenticator should recognize that help date these hats.

[itslarry]

Originally Posted by accidental

I do have all the proper evidence to prove what I'm saying of course, but I'm simply unwilling to share it publically, as it took a lot of time, effort and money to acquire it.

I have no interest in these auctions whatsoever, I'm really just tired of seeing things listed as something they are not, when all it takes is a little effort and diligent research. There are in my opinion however, some telltale signs that any authenticator should recognize that help date these hats.

Well what if I have super expensive but secret proof that can't be shared saying Elvis, Ty AND Mr.Santa Clause himself all wore that hat. See how it is?


....thetruthisoutthere, maybe

[accidental]

Goldin has adjusted the auction description, I thus removed it from my original post.

I have sent the proper evidence to Goldin proving beyond any doubt that the hat in question is from early 1953, including proper documentation. I also provided a 1951 Hodges image, which is now used in the auction (1951 was the first year the Dodgers wore McAuliffe hats on field, featuring for the first time the logo seen on the hat in the auction).

It is beyond my understanding though, how somebody can state that by studying the Dodgers B this can only be attributed to the 1957 season... a 2 minute Ebay search proves the opposite, the same goes for the supposedly 1952 Robinson cap.

[accidental]

REA has also adjusted the listing for the supposed Robinson cap, I thus removed the link from the OP.

[Duluth Eskimo]

No one has really commented on it, but I just wanted to say I think it's a little bush league to put those guys on blast without giving them the opportunity to evaluate the information you sent them.

You act as if everyone should have the level of game worn hat knowledge you have (assuming you are correct) and that both companies were being malicious in their descriptions.

I don't personally know either of these companies, but both are generally considered stand up in the hobby and obviously both were willing listeners and adjusted the descriptions accordingly.

I also find it ironic that you didn't have the stones to put your name in your post. This is just my opinion so take it as you wish. Jason

[Scott Garner]

Why hasn't he been required to use his real name since the nature of these posts has been somewhat controversial?

Everyone is required to use their actual name, I think this is especially true if you plan on taking pot shots at a businesses credibility, FWIW...

[accidental]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

Why hasn't he been required to use his real name since the nature of these posts has been somewhat controversial?

Everyone is required to use their actual name, I think this is especially true if you plan on taking pot shots at a businesses credibility, FWIW...

Sorry guys, I simply didn't know about the name policy, I stand behind what I wrote and of course do so with my name.

On the topic, if the auction houses really want to run a fair business, why don't they get the stuff authenticated? If they are expecting to raise four figures for a hat, this would be the least they could do, wouldn't you agree?

Fredy