Hurricane Carter ..rip

[2dueces]

Originally Posted by Jim65

I have done research. Ruben was convicted twice and set free by a judge who didn't even say he was innocent. The problem with this case has always been that people base their opinions on his book and later on the movie, on which Ruben was a consultant. His book and the movie are full of fabricatiions and outright lies. Why does he need to lie if he ws innocent?

Everyone should read the facts on this case. His alibi changed 16 times. His co defendant and his alibi never matched. So much wrong with his story. He was set free on a procedural error, not because of innocence. The movie and the book are out right lies to the facts. Anyone that has researched this for even 10 minutes cannot say this man is innocent.

[Westsiders]

Originally Posted by 2dueces

Everyone should read the facts on this case. His alibi changed 16 times. His co defendant and his alibi never matched. So much wrong with his story. He was set free on a procedural error, not because of innocence. The movie and the book are out right lies to the facts. Anyone that has researched this for even 10 minutes cannot say this man is innocent.

Completely agree. I saw the movie years ago, and naively assumed that he was an innocent man that was wrongfully convicted. After researching the case, I'm embarrassed that the wool was pulled over my eyes, and ashamed that I supported the movie with the purchase of my ticket. The research that I conducted was in hopes of supporting my position of innocence, but the evidence to the contrary is overwhelming. I'm simply astounded at the level of support he received over the past 40+ years. Denzel Washington calling this man "all love" is simply laughable.

Unfortunately, the conviction of innocent people is something that unquestionably has, and still does occur....and thankfully there are some outstanding organizations that fight on their behalf. But in my opinion, this was not one of those cases.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by Westsiders

I'm simply astounded at the level of support he received over the past 40+ years. Denzel Washington calling this man "all love" is simply laughable.

Without commenting on this case specifically, the Hollywood and music crowd has a long history of naively attaching themselves to dubious causes. Entertainers are rarely legal or geopolitical experts. They are just regurgitating the line of the special interest group that has worked their way into a trusted position.

[johnmh71]

Great topic. I admit that I only know what was in the movie. What would have been his possible motivation to commit the shooting?

[JimStinson]

Originally Posted by johnmh71

Great topic. I admit that I only know what was in the movie. What would have been his possible motivation to commit the shooting?

Great question as the motive was not robbery as all the money was in the till. In fact the principal witness for the prosecution by his own admission stepped over dead bodies to empty the till before he called police , Oh and prior to that he was minutes earlier a lookout for a factory robbery which is the reason he was there in the first place , nothing good happens at 2:30 am in the morning

[2dueces]

The black step father of a friend was killed by a white man in a business disagreement earlier in the evening.

The witness was the lookout for the factory robbery, not Carter.

Carter's car was positively identified by 2 witnesses. He was stopped again in his car a few blocks from the scene. It was a newer white dodge with out of state plates and butterfly tail lights with two black occupants. At 2:30 am it pretty much narrows down the suspects.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by 2dueces

The black step father of a friend was killed by a white man in a business disagreement earlier in the evening.

The witness was the lookout for the factory robbery, not Carter.

Carter's car was positively identified by 2 witnesses. He was stopped again in his car a few blocks from the scene. It was a newer white dodge with out of state plates and butterfly tail lights with two black occupants. At 2:30 am it pretty much narrows down the suspects.

John Artis was driving Rubin's car while Rubin was ducked down in the back seat, probably because he knew Al Bello got a real good look at him. The movie made it look like Bello was across the street when in reality he came within about 10 feet of Rubin and Artis as they walked to the car.

[JimStinson]

Correct ! the other witness Arthur Badley was also a felon committing a crime at 2:30 am along with his "friend" Al Bellow....both were witnesses , although at the time of the trial Mr. Bradley was incarcerated. Bradley's friend that evening , Bellow first delivered the money stolen from the cash register BY HIM (see confession) to Bradley before coincidentally calling police. Nice of him to do that

It should be noted here with all due respect that the Police official that investigated the case the honorable Mr. Vince DeSimone was considered by ALL that have ever worked with him as the ULTIMATE HONEST POLICE OFFICIER Unlike the villain portrayed in the film ..was NOT a racist so this was NOT a racial crime ......so we agree. Mr DeSimone does NOT belong in this argument. His reputation is beyond question as anything BUT honorable so take him out of the mix.

The 32 caliber bullet recovered from the car the ONLY physical evidence of the shooting matched the same caliber weapon used in the crime , except for the fact that is was NOT the same type tip of bullet used in the shooting and was removed from the suspects car DAYS later