Is this T206 Sweet Caporal Magee w/bat missing the scroll overstrike..possible scrap?

[iwantitiwinit]

If the missing overstrike is in fact the answer you would think the other cards on the same printed sheet the magee was printed on are also missing that overstrike. Wonder if there are specimens of other players missing the same overstrike though Ted's explanation if correct (and he knows better than I) that Sweet Cap 460, Factory 30 cards were not shipped to Factory #30 in NYC might tell us its not a missing overstrike situation.

[mrvster]

Brian....

Clayton nailed it.......the card looks like it missed the factory over strike design ornate bar and factory 42 designation strike at quality control in production....card is obviously factory cut(altho beat to hell).....and is totally plausible to miss an overstrike( similar to the yellow brown printer scraps with the s.c. 460 f. #30 design).....not sure about how amer litho dealt with the overstrike and shipping???....I haven't read anything on it but interesting Ted....

we see the "missed" strike like Ted showed....I haven't seen any factory issued missing the strike completely ??

these are just my theories....no fact to back it up...

[brianp-beme]

Thanks for the responses so far guys...to me it seems like the missing overstrike is the most plausible explaination for the card, but would like to hear more. I changed the title of the thread to entice and seduce any others who have not already fallen under sway of such heady matters.

Brian

[Runscott]

I'm going to be a voice of dissension here. I agree with Ted and the OP - this card should not exist. Since it does, I'll guess that it was NOT factory-cut, and that it was never intended to leave the factory. We see a lot of beaters like this that we assume are factory-cut because they look just like a factory-cut beater would look. But they also look like a decently-trimmed beater would look.

[atx840]

This is likely the case Scott.

The scraps knowns as the "yellow browns" are a group of 34 cards (including Magee) that we see grouped together across many 460 brands. I believe the finished sheets of these 34 cards were printed as F30 but never cut and packed up, they were sent over to the OP print press first.

One/two of those sheets was thrown out before all the front ink layers were applied and the back F42 OP, giving us the yellow brown scraps.

It's also likely one/two finished sheets also never hit the OP press and we get natural F30s that weren't intended to be packed up.

Here is a yellow brown Magee with a F30 back.

[hshrimps]

No wonder there are so many people out there buying t206 beaters. Treasure hunt continue....

[brianp-beme]

Thanks Chris for posting the SC460 factory 30 yellow/brown scrap of Magee. I am glad I brought my Magee card to the attention of the board...you guys certainly are able to come at (what was to me) this mystery card with angles I never considered and brought up some intriguing possibilities/probabilities concerning its production.

Keep up the good work and commentary...it has been a lot of fun to ponder.

Brian

Originally Posted by atx840

This is likely the case Scott.

The scraps knowns as the "yellow browns" are a group of 34 cards (including Magee) that we see grouped together across many 460 brands. I believe the finished sheets of these 34 cards were printed as F30 but never cut and packed up, they were sent over to the OP print press first.

One/two of those sheets was thrown out before all the front ink layers were applied and the back F42 OP, giving us the yellow brown scraps.

It's also likely one/two finished sheets also never hit the OP press and we get natural F30s that weren't intended to be packed up.

Here is a yellow brown Magee with a F30 back.