John Titus-Itus

glynparson · #1 03-25-2014, 06:51 AM

This and I fail to see how this is a low road or morally ambiguous. How is it taking advantage of anyone? A baseball card is never a necessity regardless of how we feel about them. I'd be much more concerned with people polluting water then buying up the rights to clean water. We need that to survive we don't need a baseball card. If the same individual purchased 55+ on eBay they were available for others to purchase they just had to pop in one cent higher then the hoarder, who I believe we all know why is he above mention?

teetwoohsix · #2 03-25-2014, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by glynparson

This and I fail to see how this is a low road or morally ambiguous. How is it taking advantage of anyone? A baseball card is never a necessity regardless of how we feel about them. I'd be much more concerned with people polluting water then buying up the rights to clean water. We need that to survive we don't need a baseball card. If the same individual purchased 55+ on eBay they were available for others to purchase they just had to pop in one cent higher then the hoarder, who I believe we all know why is he above mention?

Well, in my mind you have to take a look at the domino effect. If someone creates a manufactured scarcity by buying up all of one particular card- the next thing to follow, is the scenario of other dealers upping the price of their Titus cards-because of course, who wants to leave money on the table? If they sell their PSA 2 for $35.00, when they know one just sold for $200.00 (due to the manufactured scarcity that one dealer created)- they know they are losing money. What dealer wants to lose money? None.

So,,, now, in effect- the hoarder has not only raised the prices for the cards he/she hoarded to create the manufactured scarcity-but the domino effect is other dealers pricing their cards to match what people are paying to the original hoarder. Make sense?

I don't know who it is, or why the person/s are above mention- I'm referring to the obvious scenario. And, I know you have been collecting for a long time, you know this isn't a truly scarce card.

Yes, we can certainly live without any card

And, we can't live without water. And, as I said-it's a free country and it's not illegal- I guess it's a matter of principal. And, I may have a biased perspective, because I just collect cards and I don't deal them. So, this practice- purely from a collectors POV, pretty much sucks.

Sincerely, Clayton

glynparson · #3 03-25-2014, 01:55 PM

Still fail to see the immorality. So what if you want a Titus for less you can find one it just takes some looking at shows, antique markets, or paper shows as you said the Titus is not a short print there are many out there priced low it's just a little harder then looking on eBay. I've bought a couple over the past year I do not pay more than a common price for either one. If nobody pays more for Titus he would lose his ass. It's capitalism and unless your argument is that is inherently immoral, that would be a much larger debate, I fail to see immorality. I see where you feel entitled to be able to buy something at what you view a reasonable price but I do not see what Bill is doing as immoral.

teetwoohsix · #4 03-25-2014, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by glynparson

Still fail to see the immorality. So what if you want a Titus for less you can find one it just takes some looking at shows, antique markets, or paper shows as you said the Titus is not a short print there are many out there priced low it's just a little harder then looking on eBay. I've bought a couple over the past year I do not pay more than a common price for either one. If nobody pays more for Titus he would lose his ass. It's capitalism and unless your argument is that is inherently immoral, that would be a much larger debate, I fail to see immorality. I see where you feel entitled to be able to buy something at what you view a reasonable price but I do not see what Bill is doing as immoral.

Well, you apparently know the person and I don't so you may have a biased opinion of this due to that aspect?

Yes, it is capitalism and Carnegie and Rockefeller would be proud.

But, I cannot convince you now if I didn't in my prior posts that from a collectors POV, this practice sucks. It will have a negative effect for some people at some point. You can buy a HOF'er in similar grades for less.......

At the end of the day, I will still feel the same way about this. I also agree that I'm pretty sure if one looked hard enough, they could find a Titus at a reasonably normal price- I know many collectors and dealers on this board who have always given me nice deals and very fair pricing.

I just hope this doesn't set a precedent for the future.

Sincerely, Clayton

teetwoohsix · #5 03-25-2014, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by glynparson

I see where you feel entitled to be able to buy something at what you view a reasonable price but I do not see what Bill is doing as immoral.

I don't feel entitled to anything. You've missed my points. Anything I say beyond this will just be repetitive, so all I can do now is refer you to my prior posts.

Sincerely, Clayton

4815162342 · #6 03-25-2014, 02:33 PM

Clayton, how many T206s do you have? I'm pretty sure I've seen you post more than one T206 pickup. Are you not contributing to manufactured scarcity of T206s by buying more than one? Of course! That's because all scarcity is manufactured.

From Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics: "The classic definition of economics is that it is the study of the allocation of scarce resources which have alternative uses. If resources-the ingredients of production-were not scarce, there would be no economics. We would be in an Eden or a utopia."

teetwoohsix · #7 03-25-2014, 03:09 PM

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Clayton, how many T206s do you have? I'm pretty sure I've seen you post more than one T206 pickup. Are you not contributing to manufactured scarcity of T206s by buying more than one? Of course! That's because all scarcity is manufactured.

From Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics: "The classic definition of economics is that it is the study of the allocation of scarce resources which have alternative uses. If resources-the ingredients of production-were not scarce, there would be no economics. We would be in an Eden or a utopia."

C'mon Daryl, you know this isn't the same thing. 102- with only one duplicate (Frank Owen). And, I don't agree that all scarcity is manufactured-even though I do agree that Thomas Sowell is a genius.

(assuming that's why you quoted him

).

"When the levee breaks".......

Sincerely, Clayton

4815162342 · #8 03-25-2014, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

C'mon Daryl, you know this isn't the same thing. 102- with only one duplicate (Frank Owen). And, I don't agree that all scarcity is manufactured-even though I do agree that Thomas Sowell is a genius.

(assuming that's why you quoted him

).

"When the levee breaks".......

Sincerely, Clayton

C'mon Clayton, you need to spread the wealth around and let 101 other collectors join in on the fun!

And yes, Thomas Sowell is a genius!

teetwoohsix · #9 03-25-2014, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 4815162342

C'mon Clayton, you need to spread the wealth around and let 101 other collectors join in on the fun!

And yes, Thomas Sowell is a genius!

Daryl, are we talking about the same issue here or what?

I don't expect anyone to "spread the wealth". That's nonsense.

Can someone please explain to me why shill bidding is wrong? I mean, a seller is just trying to maximize his/her profits after all, right? It's not like you have to bid in the auction, right? If it goes undetected, the reflective prices don't ever set a precedent, do they? Isn't it just capitalism, and the American way?

Sincerely, Clayton

GregMitch34 · #10 03-25-2014, 03:19 PM

I may be missing something here but if this guy is still buying up the Tituses--as many claim he ism via eBay (see previous posts)--then he is paying the same high prices that he allegedly aimed to inflate, so he is victim of his own game....

z28jd · #11 03-25-2014, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GregMitch34

I may be missing something here but if this guy is still buying up the Tituses--as many claim he ism via eBay (see previous posts)--then he is paying the same high prices that he allegedly aimed to inflate, so he is victim of his own game....

If he is still buying them, then maybe it isn't a game, maybe he just wants as many as he can get and doesn't care what it does to the value. Some people are strange and like collecting the same card

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