1961 Topps SP Research

[goheels]

Your prior work on the 67 high series was pure mathematical genius.

What is your best guess to the relative numbers of these cards?

[MisterBungle]

Here is my partial sheet of '61s. None of those cards are on it though, so I don't think it's going to be much help.

I can say that when I was putting my set together, back before the internet and eBay, the Dick Bertell #441 was the hardest common for me to find. In fact it was the last common low number I acquired for my set. Whether that means it's a short print, or that I was just unlucky finding that card, I don't know.





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[ALR-bishop]

Great stuff as usual Carlton, even if most of it is over my head. Good thread

[JollyElm]

I thought I'd pull a Lazarus and raise this thread from the dead. Recently, I ran across this picture of a guy holding uncut 1961 sheets from the lower series (2 & 3 perhaps?) and wanted to post it here. Willie Mays (#150), Ed Mathews (#120), Whitey Ford (#160) and Bobby Richardson (#180) are included on them.

1961ToppsUncutSheets.jpg

The cards I slashed out with red lines appear twice on this sheet, whilst (I always wanted to use that word) the 4 rows of 11 cards outlined in bright green appear only once.

Now, would the other 'half' of this sheet contain these same cards (in different amounts) to make the totals of each card the same in the end? Logically, that would require the 'green' rows to appear at both the top and the bottom of the unseen sheet with the 'red' cards only appearing in a single instance in the middle?

Anyone know if this is the case?

[Rich Klein]

the 1961 5th Series SP's was verified from a sheet I saw at a Nassau Coliseum show in 1993.

We already knew from experience that cards such as Jim Maloney RC and Bill Skowron were short and seeing them all in the same row AND those being the ONLY cards not double printed on the sheet cofirmed what we already knew from when Al Rosen bought a major find of those 1961 cards. The Skowron card was found in half the quantity of the other cards in that find and the other SP's were also short.

I'm very comfortable with what are listed as SP's in that series but if there is another full sheet, there may be another difficult row

Rich

[jmoran19]

Yes any series that is 87/88 cards (Current series CL is usually a DP) and shows this type of layout would have rows 5 thru 8 on the sheet your showing as rows 1 thru 4 and rows 9 thru 12 on the other half and then the rows you crossed out as 5 thru 8.

88 cards printed 3 times = 264 cards

John

Originally Posted by JollyElm

I thought I'd pull a Lazarus and raise this thread from the dead. Recently, I ran across this picture of a guy holding uncut 1961 sheets from the lower series (2 & 3 perhaps?) and wanted to post it here. Willie Mays (#150), Ed Mathews (#120), Whitey Ford (#160) and Bobby Richardson (#180) are included on them.

Attachment 165886

The cards I slashed out with red lines appear twice on this sheet, whilst (I always wanted to use that word) the 4 rows of 11 cards outlined in bright green appear only once.

Now, would the other 'half' of this sheet contain these same cards (in different amounts) to make the totals of each card the same in the end? Logically, that would require the 'green' rows to appear at both the top and the bottom of the unseen sheet with the 'red' cards only appearing in a single instance in the middle?

Anyone know if this is the case?

[jmoran19]

Visual proof of the 88 card x 3 layout mentionEd in post above, full 264 card sheet from 1966, also have seen a 1964 sheet just like this, will find pic and post.

John

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by jmoran19

Visual proof of the 88 card x 3 layout mentionEd in post above, full 264 card sheet from 1966, also have seen a 1964 sheet just like this, will find pic and post.

John

Excellent, John!! Thanks!!