T206 Stovall and Turner: Charcoal Gray v. Brown Shirt

[steve B]

Another point to these is that the lighter ones also show more bright red highlighting in the face. That red crosses over partway between the lighter uniform and darker uniform.
An example of one that's partway between the two
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-1911-T2...item48622d3935

Most of the T206s I've looked closely at have both light and dark blue. Even the very light uniforms appear to have at least the light blue. The two Turners I see on Ebay both Sovereigns also have a bit of light blue at the bottom of the uniform. And the Stovalls all seem to have a light blue bottom button for all the uniform colors.

Cards like these are what makes me think the card images were reworked between series, especially between 150 and 350. And possibly were different between brands as well.

The Conroy hat stripes that Scot posted about in the past are one example that's clearly different between 150 and 350, and within the 350's there's stuff like Dygert having red or not on the lips. A very common "missing red" that was likely deliberate and gets little attention of any kind. Criger also comes with different color uniforms- gray or reddish brown.

Steve B

[GoldenAge50s]

My Turner 150 is definitely of the gray.

Coincidentally, I have a Criger 150 up for auction on the BST right now--what color would you call it? Uniform looks gray but the collar looks reddish-brown.

[sreader3]

Thanks for the responses and observations.

Clayton nice Stovall.

Ted all of your Stovalls and Turners are 150s so they were destined to have char gray shirts. Thanks for posting a Turner (Gray). The contrast with my Turner (Brown) is stark.

Steve I hadn't thought about light v dark blue. Do you think the charcoal gray shirts on Stovall and Turner 150s are a product of brown ink with dark blue ink overlay (with light blue being a seperate pass)?

Fred I'm not sure what color shirt your Criger has. Light gray?

If anyone can find a Joss or Lajoie or Perring portrait with brown shirt I would love to see it!

[steve B]

The darker uniforms on Stovall and Turner could be dark blue over the gray, or could be a darker gray layer, or a more extensive use of the light blue. I don't have one of either to look at really closely.
I use a 40X magnifier, or scan at 8-1200 dpi. At that level it's easier to see each layer. Especially if the registration isn't perfect.

And as far as I can tell not every card got every color. Some are only the basic six, some have eight and maybe as many as 10.

Many - maybe all the regular cards - can be found in three versions, with slight differences.

Freds Criger I think is the gray version.

Steve B

[teetwoohsix]

Thanks Scot!

Just adding a Criger since it was brought up, for comparison purposes:

Sincerely, Clayton

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[Jantz]

Hi Scot

Here are a few more for you. These are cards that I own.

Stovall (port.)

Sweet Caporal 150/30 - Gray
Piedmont 150 - Gray
Sovereign 150 - Gray
Piedmont 350 - Brown

Turner

Piedmont 150 - Gray

I have two more Turners and they look similar to the Turner that you posted where his jersey looks more brown at the shoulders and has areas of blue ink added near the bottom of his image. The backs on those two are.

Piedmont 150
Piedmont 350

I would also like to add that I bought these two Turners for a reason. They both have a crop line in the upper left corner on the obverse. These are the first examples I've seen where a crop line crosses over into another series.

If you need scans, just let me know and I'll post them up.


Jantz